Highway 20 access on the lower Yuba river.

[Pupa]

Thank you everyone for the incredible investigative work on this issue. Amoeba, wondering if you were ever able to correspond with Mr Pirtle...

[Greg Vinci]

Latest information on Yuba River Access:

If you will click here you will be taken to a summary that provides the latest info on Yuba River access.

Info was provided by Scott who manages the Yuba River Anglers property upstream from the bridge.

https://www.californiaflyfishingrepo...ba-access-info

[John H]

Greg - thanks for posting that. I don’t fish up there but it is good to know the options.

[amoeba]

Thank you everyone for the incredible investigative work on this issue. Amoeba, wondering if you were ever able to correspond with Mr Pirtle...

Nope, never responded...neither did board of supervisors...nothing from the guy who claimed he would help legal. Fuck Yuba River. Don't fish there, don't guide there and, especially, don't hire guides that pay these asshole Yuba Anglers for access. Screw the sheriff, CDFG, Nordic, Yuba County, and UC Sierra. Any of them could have fixed this access issue decades ago and instead they continue to be selfish fucks.

[Brian Clemens]

Hi Amoeba,

I find your statement quite harsh and frankly, rude. I work incredibly hard for each of my clients every day I'm on the water. If paying to work on the Yuba is our only option, then that's what we have to do right now.

Could you suggest what other options we have for guiding on the Yuba, or other viable alternatives to guide it? Besides my trout spey trips below Daguerre in my power drifter, there are currently no other options, besides evening paying to play down there in drift boats.

Regarding the gate on the south side, I've had extensive conversations with the Yuba County Supervisor and they have all been very informative and educational from both sides of the fence sorta speak. Never had any issues with returning my calls, voicemails or at this point even personal texts. They are waiting for BLM to transfer their property to Yuba County, but BLM is taking an unfortunate amount of time. That's why it's been delayed, and there's nothing more that can be done until the land transfer occurs.

The north side is a different story. Without going into too much detail, I've heard his Texas lawyer advised him he could install the gate. I've also been told there's a 60-foot easement right on bridges in California, but I haven't looked up where that 60ft starts, so please don't quote me on that. But from what I've been told and read on here, people are able to walk around the gate and LEO will not enforce or write any tickets for trespassing. But who knows what the property owner will do though.

Please know that some of us are talking behind the scenes about this as well. But most of what needs to happen at this point does require $$$ as you know.

This whole situation is frustrating and a monopoly of the river system, with parts being illegal and parts legal. Instead of criticizing guides for trying to support their families, maybe you should work with us to fight what's happening on the Yuba.

Are you aware of the nature-like fish ladder planned for Daguerre Dam? Do you know how many people and guides, including myself, are actively fighting against it? Your disrespectful comment is extremely rude, and not something I would expect from someone I'd want in my boat.

Some of us fight privately, while others are more public, but we are all in this fight together. Comments/attitude like yours are unhelpful and only create division and only discredit our fight.

[Rossflyguy]

That fish bypass goes in you can kiss the trout population goodbye with the striper moving up into the system.

[Brian Clemens]

Rossflyguy

You're dam right, we are fighting diligently to put ladders or something in the fishway to keep the stripers as well as shad out. My issue is they, cdfw, has no studies showing that "sturgeon" (their reasoning behind the fishway) will spawn above daguerre. They say stripers won't go above due to water temps, it's to cold and they won't feed in those temps. That data is from delta and East coast striper. Well I don't know anyone that fishes the Yuba below daguerre more than myself. That's not a toot-toot about me, but just the facts, and I catch stripers, and monsters year round. The issue with that is they aren't collecting any inriver striper data. These stripers are very adaptive to their waters. Look at those that fish for them in 48° surf temps, those fish are extremely aggressive, same for the ones on the Yuba, year round. That being said, sturgeon spawn in 57-58° water. They are saying striper won't eat in water colder than that, so they won't go above the fishway. This contradicts their entire program. It's a total bs political money grab. It will destroy one of the last anadromous fisheries in the state, the last one in the central valley and a heritage designated trout stream.

I witnessed sturgeon push up into the DPD hole then slowly work back down to as far as beer can Beach, the 2 hard dog legs below the dump and spawn down there. Not just this year, but previous years as well. This is cuz the water is too cold. I did water temps while shad fishing this year and last. Start of the season mid May, 52deg gets up to about 56 by end of May beginning of June but then the lakes turn over and we drop back down to 54 again. The high temps are typically 8deg higher, sometimes 10 depending on air temps. But you tell me starting temp at 7am and air temp, and I can predict the water temp at 3pm and be within a deg or 2, it's that predictable. Ask me if I see any cdfw biologists studying the river outside of the DPD hole ever? The answer is a big fat NO. NOT EVER. So where's the data.

Worse part, we asked to have them truck some sturgeon above the dam and track them to see what happens. They said they don't want to harm them by trucking them 100yrs tops from below to above as they are fragile. But they will truck tens of millions of smolting salmon out to the bay each and every year in tankers. More political bs.

I can be here all day, debunking each and everything they say as it's a very long list. But those are the facts.

This is why Amoeba's comment was so aggravating, 1 there's no need for that type of verbiage and aggression on this page and 2 he really has no idea what we are doing behind closed doors. We have stockholders doing everything we can to save the Yuba. His comments are pretty much crapping on what we are trying to do.

So that's all of it in a nutshell.
Sorry if any grammar errors. Lots to do today.

[Rossflyguy]

Sturgeon are fragile??? Lol!!!! That’s bs.

[Brian Clemens]

Yup, that's what they said. They won't truck them up around daguerre, 100yrds, cuz they are fragile, yet they will truck 10s of millions of smolting salmon to the bay, which is the very worse thing you can do to them during the smoltification process for imprinting purposes as well as being extremely fragile during that time period.

No studies have been done above daguerre showing sturgeon will successfully spawn, no temp studies or data showing its the right temps for the sturgeon to spawn above daguerre that ive seen besides mine below. Which I do have that data and they were done spawning by the end of June. Yet they will tell you they want the sturgeon to swim back to their natal waters in the narrows to spawn. Ya maybe before dams but not post dams, water temps might be an issue.

Guess wait, that water coming out of the bottom of Englebright is bone chilling cold, to cold for me to wet wade in, even in the dog days of summer, and i wet wade will into late Oct. 1) If I can't wet wade in it for more than 1hr, it's to cold for those sturgeon to spawn in (lol) but seriously its to cold up there, 2) there's no spawning gravel up there for them to spawn in as it's constantly being blown out each and every winter by high flows. Yes it's being dumped in by deer creek, but blown right back out again. So where are they supposed to spawn? Below the narrows? In an area where everyone is fishing, floating and recreating, ya that's not gonna happen cuz they get spooked very easy and they will not be successful. They are extremely successfully spawning below daguerre, why change that.

What's even funnier, is they say numbers are dwindling, yet I've seen more sturgeon returning to the Yuba each and every year since 2018. Numbers just keep increasing and you cant keep/fish for sturgeon anymore in CA, so what's this really all about.

Money, water and politics. This has nothing to do about the fish. You kill the Yuba, that kills the feather and the Sac. It's the last cold water refuge for that area.

But, we are fighting, that's all we can do. The fishway is gonna go in, all we can do is fight to put some type of striper blockage in.

Oh ya cdfw said sturgeon don't swim up ladders. Talk about the biggest joke and lie of the century, tell that to those on the Columbia.

It's been a joke to say the least. Everything they have stated has been just that, statements with nothing to back it up. No data, no in river Yuba specific studies, nothing. Just statements.

[BumpBailey]

Thanks for fighting for us Brian!

California politics = legalized organized crime!

It's sad! We have a renewable resource that our government is doing its damdest to eradicate.

I think this state is circling the drain. I don't see myself sticking around here much longer.