They are that good! I have tried a ton of different combo's over the years, looking for a good alternative to Skagits. There are times when only a Skagit will get the job done, but not as many now that we have some well thought out sinking scandi's. I loved the efficiency of the scandi's (single speys, and snake rolls) as its imperative to keep your fly in the water for steelhead--especially winters, but I never felt I was getting down ...that is until now...If you want to see what I'm talking about I have posted a video to my blog featuring the triple density scandis from LTS. check it out here http://www.southernoregonflyfishing....steelhead.html