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Thread: Upper Sac: When will it become fishable?

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    Default Upper Sac: When will it become fishable?

    …as flows drop.

    Any thoughts appreciated. Thanks.
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    Default Upper Sac: When will it become fishable?

    Well the smart-a** answer is "when the snow melt ends", but I expect you are looking for a bit more detail than that.

    Unfortunately, we have no way to tell cause it all depends on the weather, esp how hot it gets which controls how fast the snow melts.
    We will be doing good if it is down to normal flows by the 4th of July.

    Here in Dunsmuir we can tell when the end of snow melt is close by looking at Mount Bradley, once there is no more snow on the north-east-ish side of the mountain the snow-melt is mostly done.

    Looked at it this morning and we are not there yet.

    There are still patches of snow along Highway 89 at 4,500 ish FT of elevation in the shady areas.

    In a normal year end of snow-melt is usually end of May or early June.

    Worse year I have seen in the last 25+ years on the water was the Middle of July and that year we did not have as
    much snow as we have this year, but we had a very cold spring so the start of the snow-melt was delayed.

    I do not remember what year that was. Maybe the late 90's.

    Was talking to a buddy recently who kept a rough count of the snow fall this last winter,
    In a normal year Dunsmuir will get about 2-4 FT over the course of the winter.
    This year we got closer to 12-14 FT


    Hey TroutSource:

    Was above an answer to the question you asked? I thought about your question and realized you could have been
    asking a different question that what I answered.
    Were you asking at what flow (even though high) it was reasonable to try to fish the river?
    If so, the answer is below 2,000. 2,000 to 2,500 is sorta doable, but 1,500 to 1,800 is much better.
    500 is great.
    Last edited by StevenB; 05-26-2023 at 05:31 PM.

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    Thanks Steve

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    Steve, Yes, you did answer my question in two useful ways -- timing (July 4 would be "doing good"), and flows (< 2000 CFS). This helps a lot. Going stir crazy being unable to fish. Reminds me of my teenage years before I got my first girlfriend...
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    There are fishable rivers in CA right now for wading trout anglers...not many, but there are some...

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    PV, I’m sure there are. Unfortunately the ones I frequent and know well aren’t on that list, or they don’t have enough such water right now to justify the trip.

    Steve, how’s Mount Bradley looking… ? If you set up a live streaming cam I will watch it.
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    Default checked this morning

    Alas no web cam pointing at Mt Bradley
    maybe, here is a cam that is on Mt Bradley:
    https://alertca.live/cam-console/1686.

    There are several cams in the area but right now I did not see one that was pointing in the right direction.

    Looked at it this morning from the north end of town and looks like it is snow free.

    I think we have hit the start of the end.

    Unfortunately the Delta gauge has been having problems since about May 26.

    It started reporting wild swings in the flows, which were not real
    (at one point it showed the river going from 3,000 to 6,000 in the space of an hour.
    I suppose that is possible with a really heavy rain but I have never seen it jump that much, that fast.

    So the gauge is unreliable right now, but it was reporting 1,800 CFS this morning, If that is the real flow then I suspect the end of snowmelt flow drop has started, couple more weeks will really tell the tale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troutsource View Post
    PV, I’m sure there are. Unfortunately the ones I frequent and know well aren’t on that list, or they don’t have enough such water right now to justify the trip.

    Steve, how’s Mount Bradley looking… ? If you set up a live streaming cam I will watch it.
    I would say Putah Creek and the LT are two “gimmes”. Many don’t like Putah at higher flows but for me the more water the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StevenB View Post
    So the gauge is unreliable right now, but it was reporting 1,800 CFS this morning, If that is the real flow then I suspect the end of snowmelt flow drop has started, couple more weeks will really tell the tale.
    I've been using this. Either it's a different gauge, or it's "lying"

    https://www.cnrfc.noaa.gov/graphicalRVF.php?id=DLTC1
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    Default Gauges, we don't need no stinking gauges

    Hey TS:

    Ya, it is wrong. if you look towards the bottom of the page you linked to
    you will see a line that says
    Raw stream flow data is provided by the US Geological Survey (USGS).
    View USGS Data for this station location.

    if you click on the link that is the View USGS Data line it takes you to this
    page:

    https://waterdata.usgs.gov/monitorin...065&period=P7D

    which has shown "equipment malfunction" for a while now.

    All the flows site I have seen use the Delta gauge for their data and that is the gauge that is not reporting real flow numbers.

    A friend of mine who has spent a lot of time on the river looked at it today and he thought it was well over 2,000 CFS.

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