Algae Bloom, Dead Fish, and Bio-runoff

[Tony Buzolich]

Not sure if this is the best place to put this topic but here it goes.

Bill recently posted several things about problems that Florida is having concerning run-off that is killing sea-grass and also creating algae blooms. Fertilizer run-off is having major affect on the Everglades and surrounding areas.

This is almost identical to our problem here with the delta. Now we've brought in the subject of "Homeless Camps" and bio-waste.

All good stuff to talk about, and it's happening everywhere.

And it all stems from lack of WATER, and too many people using what little there is.

Now lets bring in MISMANAGEMENT and POLITICS and following the MONEY-TRAIL.

Want to bring in some more things to talk about related to this? How about GLOBAL WARMING?

This can go on and on, but we're here in Northern California so maybe we should limit our input to things we're immediately familiar with?
Tony

[Mr T]

Tony, I think you pretty much nailed it here.

[Darian]

It seems to me that the lack of availability of water (diversion/storage/use) for use by agriculture, local governments and water districts is at least one major part of our problems. The availability of water depends, to great extent on an outdated diversion legal principle, "First in time, first in right." This principle was one of the first adopted when CA became state (eighteen hundreds). Ranking it up there with some of the oldest state statutes and this right is passed on by inheritance. The result is that the uses of water rights has become very complex and we haven't even begun to discuss infrastructure. Sales of water rights have become common place (to the enrichment of many sellers). The end uses by agriculture, speculators, developers, industry and local governments frequently result in polluted water, in the form of either run-off or untreated outfalls being returned to our rivers/streams. It should be obvious by now that the, "First in time, first in right" principle be reviewed for update.

[dynaflow]

This very subject is addressed in Monte Burkes great book "Lords of the Fly" where the author talks about water abuse in Florida fifty years ago and the repercussive effects on the Tarpon fishery there.Anyone want to talk about Golf courses?

[Tony Buzolich]

Boy, that's a good one Dynaflow. Ya, Golf Courses in the desert like Las Vegas, Palm Springs,,,everywhere!

Take a look at a few Youtubes showing Lake Mead or the Colorado River.

Here's a new one, Why aren't there more Desalinization Plants being built? If the oceans are rising we ought to be able to desalt that water and use it for inland purposes.

[Sonoman]

Easy answers are difficult to find. Desalination plants consume an enormous amount of energy. The one in Carlsbad cut its output 20% this week because the CA power grid couldn't handle the load. Environmental protection laws also limit the high-salinity effluent released into the ocean. The fundamental problem is too many people, making all of us part of the problem

[Bill Kiene semi-retired]

Boy, that's a good one Dynaflow. Ya, Golf Courses in the desert like Las Vegas, Palm Springs,,,everywhere!

Take a look at a few Youtubes showing Lake Mead or the Colorado River.

Here's a new one, Why aren't there more Desalinization Plants being built? If the oceans are rising we ought to be able to desalt that water and use it for inland purposes.

My son-in-law was in Alice Springs in the desert outback of Australia for 3 years.

He said the golf coarse there was all sand because they had no water for grass.


Yes, but I heard supposedly? that the golf courses in Florida were being managed for minimal runoff?



California's GDP for 2021 was $3.356 Trillion with a T?

If California was actually one of the World's 200 countries it would be Number 5 GNP?

With that much money and we have a terrible total infrastructure and more homeless that any other state?

I think in 10 years we won't have any fish in the lower America river, let alone any water.