Targeting spawning valley steelhead sitting on Redds

**E.Drucker** · 01-26-2022, 03:13 PM

Got your attention? good.

There are reports of some seasonal guides on the Yuba targeting spawning Steelhead sitting on Redds with their clients.

Please if anyone sees stuff like this going on, say something!

This behavior isn't acceptable for anyone, ESPECIALLY guides who certainly know better.

**Smitty Fish** · 01-26-2022, 06:12 PM

They should have their guide license taken away with a hefty fine. Idiots!

**PV_Premier** · 01-26-2022, 07:02 PM

Kinda dumb to do that when you can rope fish legitimately with half a bag of skills this time of year.

**Bill Kiene semi-retired** · 01-26-2022, 07:53 PM

You have to realize some of the leaser known fishing guides have big pickup and boast payments.

No fish, not returns and no tips.

That is why 90% of the fishing guides all have to use indicators.

**E.Drucker** · 01-26-2022, 08:52 PM

Originally Posted by Bill Kiene semi-retired

You have to realize some of the leaser known fishing guides have big pickup and boast payments.

No fish, not returns and no tips.

That is why 90% of the fishing guides all have to use indicators.

Well this guide in particular has a beat ass old pickup and sleeps in it camping on the Yuba, so that's not the problem here. I think the word we are looking for is MORALS...well, maybe ETHICS as well. No need to drag indicators into the discussion. They didn't do you dirty

**Bill Kiene semi-retired** · 01-27-2022, 06:12 AM

Without indicators we would have tons more anglers who are still fishing conventional.

Without indicators we would have very few fly fishing guides.......sorry.

There is an art to indicator fishing....true.

There are top guides who fish all methods......class acts.

They go to streamers or indicators when nothing is happening on top.

Without Spey casting we would not have very many folks fishing the "old way", the classic way, swinging flies.

Very few winter runs would be caught on flies with the indicator, today.

When indicators entered the scene I had to put some in my vest so I could see how they worked.

We have a population of fly fishers who have caught tons of trout and steelhead with guides in drift boats but have never cast

without an indicator on their line. This is the part I am not happy about. And most of these dudes think they are bad ass too?

I lived through or witnessed every historic thing that happened in fly fishing over the pact 60 plus years.

There are a handful of old timers here on this Forum who also learned to fly fish without indictors.....a long time ago.

I only speak facts.......even if it hurts.

Today I only fish a floating line, tapered leader and unweighted fly.....90%.

When I deviate from that I don't enjoy the casting.

When you help people every day of your adult life in a fishing tackle store you learn things that no one else will know.

**Carl Blackledge** · 01-27-2022, 09:15 AM

Bill,

I agree with everything you said-my 2 cents

Carl Blackledge

**Woodman** · 01-27-2022, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by Bill Kiene semi-retired

Without indicators we would have tons more anglers who are still fishing conventional.

Without indicators we would have very few fly fishing guides.......sorry.

There is an art to indicator fishing....true.

There are top guides who fish all methods......class acts.

They go to streamers or indicators when nothing is happening on top.

Without Spey casting we would not have very many folks fishing the "old way", the classic way, swinging flies.

Very few winter runs would be caught on flies with the indicator, today.

When indicators entered the scene I had to put some in my vest so I could see how they worked.

We have a population of fly fishers who have caught tons of trout and steelhead with guides in drift boats but have never cast

without an indicator on their line. This is the part I am not happy about. And most of these dudes think they are bad ass too?

I lived through or witnessed every historic thing that happened in fly fishing over the pact 60 plus years.

There are a handful of old timers here on this Forum who also learned to fly fish without indictors.....a long time ago.

I only speak facts.......even if it hurts.

Today I only fish a floating line, tapered leader and unweighted fly.....90%.

When I deviate from that I don't enjoy the casting.

When you help people every day of your adult life in a fishing tackle store you learn things that no one else will know.

Nowhere is this more evident than the Lower Sac where it can take an hour waiting in line to launch a boat...

**WLREDBAND** · 01-27-2022, 10:45 AM

AHHHH yes, the time honored B&M about "bobbicators". No surprise there. The only surprise to me is this isn't under the steelhead forum where it usually occurs!!