Scandi/versileader question

[PV_Premier]

Thanks guys. I was expecting the floating versileader to be clear and just having to add a few feet pf tippet, but its yellow and looks like a sink tip, mostly my concern is being able to cast it with another 10’ leader. Going to have to go out and experiment a bit.

I would not do a 10' floating VL + 10' of leader, that will be a nightmare (at least for me, I am a sh*tty caster). 10' floating VL + 3-6' of tippet is the way to go or just use a 10' leader with 3-4' tippet...

Some floating VL's are colored and some are clear. I have a white floating VL, I think it's either Rio or OPST. Personally, I like the Airflo Polyleaders (same as Rio VL's basically). In the Airflos, the floating, hover, and intermediate are all actually "clear".

Remember the fish will be watching the fly not the leader. So fish a fly you are confident in and worry less about the VL, but if you are fishing a non-transparent floating VL in flat water, err on the side of a longer tippet.

[Acosby7]

Rio changed them to white if I recall... pretty lame.
I’d go with the airflo poly leaders. They are clear.

I would not suggest a mono leader for your rage line.

These concepts are ALL about matching diameters. Suppleness also plays a major roll hear.
The tip of the rage is still THICK. It is a “power scandi” or a “finesse skagit” in all reality.
The poly leader or “Versi” leaders are also THICK at the rear. They match up nicely, plus the poly is a much closer match with the fly lines “suppleness”


The rage was designed for those types of leaders, and not so much for mono.

To transfer energy smoothly our lines must transition smoothly part to part (IE head to tip)

Your rods energy is going through from a thick rage head than suddenly Transferring to a much much thinner and stiffer section of mono, say 15ft 20lb tapered Mono leader will not transfer energy nearly as well.

This is not to say it can’t be done.

But your on the right track with the rage and a poly leader.
Those 12lb will be just fine, especially on the Klammy.

Stick with 10fters and keep 3-5ft 10lb maxima danglin off that, and you will be good to go
For a long time.
These leaders will also translate to true Scandi eventually, which will slowly bring you back full circle when your go back to mono and start building 18ft tapers!

[PV_Premier]

A tippet ring on the end of the VL also makes tippet changes easy and longevity of the VL much improved.

[Jcolin]

great info thanks very much acsoby7. pv premier was thinking about tippet rings, good idea thank you.

[Brian Clemens]

I just make a loop knot at the end of the versileader. Then everything is loop to loop if you need to change IPS or change to a follow-up fly quickly.

[kevins]

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[Bill Kiene semi-retired]

Wonderful feedback here....





As 'richr' recommended, for those "new to two-handed fly casting" is to get an Airflo 'Rage' floating head first.

Have someone in a fly shop, like Andy Guibord @ Kiene's, get you the right size for your two-handed fly rod.



A few years back I had a nice 12'6" #6 Spey rod with maybe a Rio WindCutter line on it?

I was very new to all this and had a terrible time with that line.

Tournament Spey Caster Doug Duncan was working at our shop and he helped me get an Airflo Rage floating head, the right size, on my

reel. I went down to the American by myself and pick up maybe 15 to 20 feet instantly and felt so much better about my Spey casting.

I recommend floating running lines rather than some kind of mono shooting line. Mono gives you another 10 feet instantly but I hate it.



If you fish Half-pounders and adult Steelhead you have to get into the Spey/Two-handed fishing.

Be sure to have someone set you up with a good "balanced " outfit at first so it will cast well.

Get some instruction and go to Gristmill access or where every the Spey crowd is meeting on the American.


You need a smaller, lighter two-handed fly rod for Half-pounders. They don't even bend a 12'6" #6 line Spey rod.

Timing is perfect......Sept/Oct/Nov is all good.