Thanks guys, ill check out the scientific anglers spey lite and the airflo rage, the rage ive heard about a bit. Ive gotten by ok with floating and intermediate commando heads for winter steelhead since i got into the 2 handed game around 2014 but seems like i should broaden my horizons, especially after fishing for summer runs on the klamath for the first time last fall. It was a trip to be able to swing up fish so close to the surface on small flies.