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    Funny how some people just would never buy a top of the line fly rod? Maybe they don't think they deserve one or they are not convinced that these top of the line rods are worth it. It can't totally be economic?

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    Shops with their own branded imported fly fishing products like The Fly Shop and Lelands are really doing well because it is high volume and high profit. Do you understand that? Not rocket science.

    They probably sell one high end US made rod for every 20 or 30 imported fly rods.

    I think it is great because that is what the big companies like Bass Pro and Cabelas are doing.

    At Kiene's American Fly Fishing Company we have nice imported fly rods from TFO, Orvis, and Echo.

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    I have both....Sage, Orvis and then Redington, Echo and TFO.

    I think they are all great.

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    We all cast a little different and so if you say a rod is the best then your buddy might cast it and say he doesn't like it at all.

    This is a fact so think about that before you make a statement....

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    Really top fly casters, like our staff, with take out every 9' #5 line 4 piece fly rod in the price range they are targeting and cast them.

    Then they will decide which one they want to buy.

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    Some people like slower rods and some like faster.....

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    Story #23b

    A recently retired vascular surgeon came into our shop by recommendation of some of his friends.

    He said he was new to fly fishing and needed a 9' #5 line 4 piece outfit for trout fishing.

    One of our staff sold him a nice started outfit for around $200.

    Later when he showed up with that outfit to practice with his friends who he was going to New Zealand with and they had a fit.

    Needless to say, I got my ass chewed out.

    His friends brought him back in to the shop and he kept the starter outfit for a back up on that big trip and bought a new top of the line outfit that was around $1,000.00

    So after that I told my staff that not everyone needs a low end imported starter outfit for their first outfit.....

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    Story # 112c

    A young retired stock broker had just moved to Sacramento.

    He came into my shop because a friend recommend he see me.

    He told me he went to Montana with friends and had a great first trip for trout.

    He said he needed his own tackle and wanted to get a good trout outfit, good waders, boots and a vest.

    He said he didn't need any flies because he would get them for the trip at a local fly shop.

    He told me he wanted me to pick out what I thought was the best of everything....

    It took us about an hour to get everything together, try on waders and boots, find a good vest.

    I think he spent around $2,000....

    After we were done he said it was nice to find a new hobby that was not very expensive.

    That shocked me and stopped me in my tracks.

    I said what did he mean?

    He said I just bought almost everything I need for trout stream fishing and it was only around $2000.

    Well, that 's great...I said.

    He said yes, I spend that much a month shooting sporting clays.

    And I am headed to the bay area tomorrow to pick up another shot gun that is $3,000.

    And I have dozen of guns.

    Oh, I understand. thanks and enjoy our inexpensive sport of fly fishing.

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    Hunting is way more expensive than fly fishing.

    A friend of mine who hunts all over says his friend's wife put her husband on a budget for hunting one year....she said he had to limit his hunting that year to $50,000.

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    Bill Kiene (Boca Grande)

    567 Barber Street
    Sebastian, Florida 32958

    Fly Fishing Travel Consultant
    Certified FFF Casting Instructor

    Email: billkiene63@gmail.com
    Cell: 530/753-5267
    Web: www.billkiene.com

    Contact me for any reason........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Kiene semi-retired View Post
    Funny how some people just would never buy a top of the line fly rod? Maybe they don't think they deserve one or they are not convinced that these top of the line rods are worth it. It can't totally be economic?
    I will never throw an Asian rod. Life is too short. Fly fishing is my hobby and my passion. My $800 Helios2 is worth every penny I paid for it. My $500 Orvis T3 (which was top of the line when I bought it) has served me well for 10+ years. I'm really not interested in saving money on my rod, reel, or line. I'm interested in having an amazing fly fishing experience every time I go out. Thus, I throw Orvis Rods and Abel, Orvis, Loop reels. If I can get a deal on those top brands, I will.

    And I think Bill knows a bit more about the Fly Fishing industry than anyone else here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goby View Post
    I will never throw an Asian rod. Life is too short. Fly fishing is my hobby and my passion. My $800 Helios2 is worth every penny I paid for it. My $500 Orvis T3 (which was top of the line when I bought it) has served me well for 10+ years. I'm really not interested in saving money on my rod, reel, or line. I'm interested in having an amazing fly fishing experience every time I go out. Thus, I throw Orvis Rods and Abel, Orvis, Loop reels. If I can get a deal on those top brands, I will.

    And I think Bill knows a bit more about the Fly Fishing industry than anyone else here.

    Aren't Orvis and Loop imported?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rossflyguy View Post
    Aren't Orvis and Loop imported?
    My Orvis rods are made in the US, the Orvis reel made in England, and my Loop is made in Sweden. I didn't say I was anti-import, I said I wouldn't throw Asian rods (or use Asian reels). I have one Asian reel, an Okuma, that was basically free with a St. Croix switch rod I purchased. It sells for about $180, and I absolutely hate it.

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    Bill,
    I am sorry if this post has offended anyone, whenever possible please visit us out here in Sonoma, I would be more than happy to personally show you guys what we have been up to. We don't plan on taking anyone's job. Our rods are not made in the U.S.A. I will give you guys that but they are made in the same facility where Hardy and Loop manufacture their gear. As for our warranty we like to stay simple, when we sell an outfit we try to include a spare tip, because we know the tip is typically the first to break due to human nature (i.e. tailgate/door closed on rod). If not you can simply replace any tip for any rod for less than 50 bucks. I am truly sorry to offend you Bill and everyone else, we at Leland love getting people taking but not like this.
    Thank You and Tight Lines!

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