are u familar with french nymphing? i find it to be more effective than an indicator or czech nymphing. with czech, sometimes you wont b able to feel all the hits.. especially if u use a switch rod most of the time like i do. just wrap about a feet and a half of big fat mono line... colored.. at least 30 lbs or more. boil it for a few minutes after wrapping it around the bic pen. toss it in freezer overnight, and it becomes a spring. much better than the ones some people buy online, plus it's super cheap. not sure if that's what you wanted to know lol.. but it's pretty mych the same as a czech setup but with a spring that gets pulled when you get takes.