DAVIS LAKE Car Top Boat launching area closures, Jenkins/CowCreek etc.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Hello All,

I have made some progress regarding the closure of car top small boat launching closures at Davis Lake. The recent closure of Jenkins point and the scheduled closure of Cow Creek to car top launching by pram, canoe, pontoon boat, kayak etc is still in place and underway. I have been able to communicate through email and miraculously received an email response from the USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton and we will soon be scheduling a conference call/Zoom with the USFS Beckwourth District Ranger Keli Ward.

I explained in my email to Christopher Carlton the need for these access points to remain open for car toppers that try and launch various types of watercraft and the need to off load these boats from close to the shoreline such as a 100 pound pram for instance. I tried to explain the need and the use by a large portion of users that are car toppers that launch craft that do not lend themselves to launching from a concrete boat ramp as it takes too much time to offload the water craft and then to unload and load up gear etc.

If you are a car topper that fishes this lake that launches a watercraft that requires you to pop it off your roof close to the waters edge now is the time for you to contact the USFS and let them know your needs and WHY a spot like Jenkins point and Cow Creek point (or Lightning Tree etc) is important to your safe boating and ability to launch your craft to reach various fishing areas safely.

USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton Plumas National Forest has designated USFS Kelli Ward to take input and research the issue. She is the current acting District Ranger for the USFS Beckwourth Ranger District. She and I will be discussing the closures next week. So these are the two people you should be emailing and/or calling. I would strongly suggest a written email. It can be brief. I would suggest you include in your letter.....The type of boat you are launching such as a pram, small john boat or row boat, larger pontoon boat, canoe, kayak and why you need to be able to get your vehicle close to the shoreline to offload your boat (ie my PRAM weighs 100 pounds and I can't drag it 150+ feet to the waters edge....or I am 70 years old and I can not carry my canoe 150+ feet to the shoreline. I would state how these closures impact you directly such as your age ( I am 70 years old and still try to fish but can't drag/carry my pram/canoe/pontoon far, any disability or mobility issues such as knee or hip replacement as an example, I use a cane, I can't walk far, I can't lift or carry a pram/pontoon/canoe very far etc. Also indicate the length of time you have been using Jenkins point and Cow Creek etc and launching at these spots. You can be as brief or as lengthy in your email as you see fit just let them know your view point. Don't be shy, don't be scared to send an email.
I have received an email response from both CHristopher Carlton and Keli Ward (we are in the process of setting up a day and time to talk/Zoom) and as I stated she has been delegated the assignment of researching this issue on behalf of the USFS and will in turn provide her findings to Christopher Carlton for I assume his final decision. Also make sure you email *both* CHristopher Carlton USFS Supervisor and Keli Ward USFS District Ranger.

I also would encourage anyone that in general cares about USFS access to make your voice heard even if these closures don't impact you directly such as if you are a float tuber or a power boater for instance. USFS has a bad lengthy pattern of closing off more and more access and areas and opportunities without regard for users this is the chance you get to voice your opinion and let them know your needs and why Jenkins and Cow Creek needs to remain open for use.
Also please feel free to pass along the below emails and phone contact information to anyone you think may have an interest in access at Davis Lake.

I think we have a chance here to stop the bleeding before it's too late.....

GOOD LUCK!!!!
GOOD FISHING!!!!

Here is USFS Plumas National Forest, Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton email and phone number....
Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov
p:530-283-7810
c:530-927-7713

Keli Ward District Ranger, Beckwourth Ranger District, Plumas National Forest
Keli.Ward@usda.gov
p:530-836-7157

[Ralph]

Hello All,

I have made some progress regarding the closure of car top small boat launching closures at Davis Lake. The recent closure of Jenkins point and the scheduled closure of Cow Creek to car top launching by pram, canoe, pontoon boat, kayak etc is still in place and underway. I have been able to communicate through email and miraculously received an email response from the USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton and we will soon be scheduling a conference call/Zoom with the USFS Beckwourth District Ranger Keli Ward.

I explained in my email to Christopher Carlton the need for these access points to remain open for car toppers that try and launch various types of watercraft and the need to off load these boats from close to the shoreline such as a 100 pound pram for instance. I tried to explain the need and the use by a large portion of users that are car toppers that launch craft that do not lend themselves to launching from a concrete boat ramp as it takes too much time to offload the water craft and then to unload and load up gear etc.

If you are a car topper that fishes this lake that launches a watercraft that requires you to pop it off your roof close to the waters edge now is the time for you to contact the USFS and let them know your needs and WHY a spot like Jenkins point and Cow Creek point (or Lightning Tree etc) is important to your safe boating and ability to launch your craft to reach various fishing areas safely.

USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton Plumas National Forest has designated USFS Kelli Ward to take input and research the issue. She is the current acting District Ranger for the USFS Beckwourth Ranger District. She and I will be discussing the closures next week. So these are the two people you should be emailing and/or calling. I would strongly suggest a written email. It can be brief. I would suggest you include in your letter.....The type of boat you are launching such as a pram, small john boat or row boat, larger pontoon boat, canoe, kayak and why you need to be able to get your vehicle close to the shoreline to offload your boat (ie my PRAM weighs 100 pounds and I can't drag it 150+ feet to the waters edge....or I am 70 years old and I can not carry my canoe 150+ feet to the shoreline. I would state how these closures impact you directly such as your age ( I am 70 years old and still try to fish but can't drag/carry my pram/canoe/pontoon far, any disability or mobility issues such as knee or hip replacement as an example, I use a cane, I can't walk far, I can't lift or carry a pram/pontoon/canoe very far etc. Also indicate the length of time you have been using Jenkins point and Cow Creek etc and launching at these spots. You can be as brief or as lengthy in your email as you see fit just let them know your view point. Don't be shy, don't be scared to send an email.
I have received an email response from both CHristopher Carlton and Keli Ward (we are in the process of setting up a day and time to talk/Zoom) and as I stated she has been delegated the assignment of researching this issue on behalf of the USFS and will in turn provide her findings to Christopher Carlton for I assume his final decision. Also make sure you email *both* CHristopher Carlton USFS Supervisor and Keli Ward USFS District Ranger.

I also would encourage anyone that in general cares about USFS access to make your voice heard even if these closures don't impact you directly such as if you are a float tuber or a power boater for instance. USFS has a bad lengthy pattern of closing off more and more access and areas and opportunities without regard for users this is the chance you get to voice your opinion and let them know your needs and why Jenkins and Cow Creek needs to remain open for use.
Also please feel free to pass along the below emails and phone contact information to anyone you think may have an interest in access at Davis Lake.

I think we have a chance here to stop the bleeding before it's too late.....

GOOD LUCK!!!!
GOOD FISHING!!!!

Here is USFS Plumas National Forest, Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton email and phone number....
Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov
p:530-283-7810
c:530-927-7713

Keli Ward District Ranger, Beckwourth Ranger District, Plumas National Forest
Keli.Ward@usda.gov
p:530-836-7157

Last year the PNF awarded their concessionaires to Reno-based Outdoors in Plumas (OIP). It immediately became clear that OIP was intent on shutting down access, not only to Lake Davis, but to all outdoor activities, so that people would be forced to use their fee based ramps, campgrounds, and trailheads. Ten bucks for day access to hiking trails is criminal. They do NOTHING to support the PNF and do NOTHING to improve highway pullouts in the Lakes Basin. But they have big signs and iron rangers everywhere. Instead of annual launching permits for Lake Davis, they now only sell annual permits for each RAMP into Davis. It pretty much sucks, but volumes of complaints to the PNF have landed on deaf ears.
We have approached LaMalfa and his reply is that he has encouraged forest managers to produce revenue at all costs and in any way possible. He is in favor of INCREASING use fees. Until we get a new Congressman, we're screwed.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Congratulations! You are the First #1 reply! We have to start somewhere. Thank you very much for the reply and the information.

I am not aware of this Outdoors in Plumas taking over the concessionaires for PNF. I will google to see if they have a website after posting this reply. Sadly this ultimately is USFS policy that they have contracted out to this OIP business to carry out and do their dirty work. They are the authority here overseeing what is enacted and carried out. Yes this is ALL about $$$$money$$$$ I figured that out 4 years ago with the BS USFS was pulling with the ramps and access to Camp 5 charging just to park there. If I might ask....what is an "iron ranger"?

I contacted LaMalfa regarding wheelchair user (I use a wheelchair) launching access at Davis/Frenchman's 4 years ago after USFS threw the logs and boulders blocking off the access to launching on the north side of Camp 5 point where it is nice and flat and plenty of area to park and launch and great for me using a wheelchair and he of course blew me off. I also contacted my reps, Cortez Masto, Heller, Amodei, and they all also blew me off. They are all worthless bastards as far as I am concerned. I am in Reno so LaMalfa doesn't represent me so I am not in a position to call upon him for help. I called his office just last week actually and spoke to a nice staffer woman explaining my issue and of course she ultimately gave me they he's not your rep. Their website doesn't even take emails from anyone other than persons in his jurisdiction.

$10 to go hiking? That's sick. That's disgusting.
All this is screwing over a lot of people in various ways.
I am not giving up. I will fight until my last dying breath. I work with the VA Reno and various organizations and on an individual basis introducing severely disabled veterans and persons to fishing/kayaking and opportunities and areas to access to get back out there and resume a normal life after traumatic injury and what the USFS Plumas County is doing to a lot of people is criminal.
In their recent responses to me they have indicated I am entitled to file a USDA discrimination complaint (which I became aware of 4 years ago) as can anyone with ANY disability or mobility impairment that these closures impact. I couldn't do that 4 years ago when they closed the north side of Camp 5 because there is a 6 month statute of limitations the USDA has on filing a complaint and they closed it off in the fall and I didn't find out until the next summer after they did it. Now that they have recently, this summer closed off Jenkins Point I am (as is anyone else) within the 6 month period and will file a complaint if they tell me to go jump in the lake like they did 4 years ago. I haven't been up there since they enacted the Jenkins closure due to the fires (we half less than 1/2 mile visibility in Reno right now due to the smoke) but I will get up there and take some pictures and video for a USDA complaint.
Unfortunately, Cow creek closure is coming next. That hurts a lot of people trying to launch and fish safely.

I don't agree with your assessment that we are screwed (until we/you get a new congressman).
As far as all the fee BS perhaps but not the access and closures of launching areas such as Jenkins/Cow Creek.
The USDA discrimination complaint process allows for ANYONE to file a complaint within 6 months. ANYONE that needs those areas to safely launch and safely reach areas that they wish to fish without boating lengthy unsafe distances to access and get to areas a person wants to fish IF they have any impairment or disability that requires them to park close to the water and offload a pram/raft/canoe/pontoon boat/kayak etc. If a person has any medical issue ANY mobility impairment whatsoever such as let's say a hip replacement, knee replacement, age even ( I am 70 and can't drag my pram 100+ feet), any issue along those lines they can file a USDA disability discrimination complaint. If I don't make any headway with the USFS on Jenkins closure in the next few months I will be forced to do that.

If you (or anyone else) are still willing to go after the Plumas USFS on ALL this BS with Fees and Access closures etc I am all in.
Let me know.

[Odonata]

An "iron ranger" is basically a hollow metal pylon with a slot, usually meant for collecting use fees. You have probably seen them at parks and campgrounds, among other places. Just google "iron ranger fee collection" and you will see some images.

As an aside, I live near a large CA state park with a lot of trails and several trailheads. Day use parking fees are $6 - $8.

A while back I went mountain biking at Spooner Lake to ride the Flume Trail and NV state parks charged $15 for non-NV residents, $10 for NV residents for parking.

CA state parks have discounts for disabled, seniors and veterans. I think NV state parks has something similar.

[WLREDBAND]

Good luck with your ADA quest, but don't expect it to be successful. ADA access does NOT mean that I can launch my boat/pram any where I want. In fact, under ADA guidelines, if you can launch your boat/pram by yourself by dragging it a few feet, you don't qualify for an ADA exemption anyways.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Thanks Yep I have used "iron ranger" before, never heard it called that.
I have no problem paying fees. I have issue with not being able to go fishing ever again at Davis/Frenchman's.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

I am not interested in launching my kayak anywhere I want....just somewhere on two lakes that had many natural places for decades that have been closed off. The closures of Jenkins and Cow Creek etc don't only impact me but many car top users.

"In fact, under ADA guidelines, if you can launch your boat/pram by yourself by dragging it a few feet, you don't qualify for an ADA exemption anyways." ....... Post the statute citation number within the ADA that states this, I'd really like to see it, read it.

That's exactly what I have been doing, dragging my kayak a few feet to launch. I'd like to be able to keep doing that so I can go fishing. Other users would also like to park and offload their water craft at Jenkins/ Cow etc without having to drag a 100+ pound pram 100+ feet.

[WLREDBAND]

Straight from the ADA: To be protected by the ADA, one must have a disability, which is defined by the ADA as a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activities, a person who has a history or record of such an impairment, or a person who is perceived by others as having such an impairment.

Like I said, good luck with your quest, but don't expect it to be successful.
Being able to launch your boat/pram/kayak/whatever wherever you want is not considered a "major life activity" covered under the ADA. And good luck "proving" your disability after being able to launch it from a car top by your self.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

You are misreading the above quote. A person is disabled under the ADA despite being able to launch a kayak and go fishing. I ski, scuba dive, flown private aircraft, drive a car, etc and the ADA of course applies to me and I am considered disabled due to using a wheelchair despite being able to paddle a kayak and fish or do anything else.

"Being able to launch your boat/pram/kayak/whatever wherever you want is not considered a "major life activity" covered under the ADA. And good luck "proving" your disability after being able to launch it from a car top by your self.".....<<<<< this is a misunderstanding of the above quote.

Being able to launch a kayak and paddle a kayak has nothing to do with the meaning of "major life activity" . That term applies to the actual physical or mental disability. Also I do not launch my kayak from a car's top as you said. I pull my kayak out of the inside of a camper van not off the roof which also has nothing to do with being considered disabled under the ADA.

[WLREDBAND]

My apologies, as I did not realize you were disabled. I now understand your post better. I interpreted your "rant" as another, dadgum gubmint closing down my ability to drive along the lakeshore stopping me from fishin' and I don't care what environmental damage I cause with my truck post. And I agree with you, special needs should be considered in determining vehicle access in environmentally sensitive areas and there must be some way to accommodate this. Again, my apologies for mis-interpreting your post and I do encourage you to pursue this.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

No apology required WLREDBAND. Here's a little more information for you and everyone else concerned about access issues for your fellow flyfishermen/women as to what is taking place at Davis Lake so everyone can better understand the situation. I was trying to explain the situation concise and clearly and not rant as you said so that people such as yourself and everyone unfamiliar with the situation can understand what is going on and perhaps lend support and shoot off a quick email for access in support of your fellow flyfishermen/women. Apparently I have failed you in that regard.

Let me try again.
What is currently going on at Davis Lake is the closure of Jenkins Point and Cow Creek which are important areas for launching various small craft for many users (car toppers). They are both dirt points extending into the lake on the west shore which are sheltered from the wind giving close access to fishing areas without having to boat unsafe long distances. Both points have been in use for 54 years since the dam was built in 1967 and the lake formed. This isn't a natural lake that is environmentally sensitive it is a man made reservoir. There are no environmental issues here or damage from car toppers. People aren't driving along the lake shoreline they are simply driving to the waters edge just like what is done at developed points such as Camp 5 which now has a paved road out, a parking lot and concrete boat ramp. Cattle have been allowed to graze the shoreline since I have been fishing the lake some 35+ years trampling the shoreline, trampling the creeks, urinating and defecating all over leaving behind cow pies to be washed into the lake, tearing up the shoreline leaving behind deep holes from them sinking into the muddy areas. So the cattle grazing all over might be considered much more environmentally damaging than anyone driving to the waters edge on hard packed dirt out onto either Jenkins or Cow Creek point.

The lake was undeveloped for decades. Nice and natural. Then in went the paved roads, paved camp grounds, parking lots, concrete boat ramps and development. Some would say that isn't environmentally friendly. Personally, I would prefer the lake undeveloped as it once was but I am ok with the development just leave a few spots for people that need to launch from the shoreline. Also, Car toppers aren't backing their vehicles into the lake they are simply parking at the waters edge. Their vehicles are not going into the water with brake dust on the axle, axle grease, road grime and dirt, axle grease from the trailer so it could be argued that what car toppers are more environmentally friendly than all the pavement/development/boat ramps and vehicles going in the water. Just to be clear, I am not against the development or power boaters, I/WE simply want to have a few places left for ourselves. As I stated above these points have been in use for 54 years since the reservoirs formation but now USFS is closing this access apparently to force people to developed areas and concrete boat ramps which don't lend themselves to car top launching so that they can charge fees.
I don't mind paying a fee. I just need a safe place I can drive to the shoreline get in my kayak and leave my wheelchair at the waters edge unmolested awaiting my return as I have been doing at these areas for some 35+ years.

Aside from myself the closures also affect anyone that is "car topping" that needs to have a little time off loading their boat and loading up the boat with gear which spending 20-30 minutes on a boat ramp doesn't allow. I know a lot of guys that use prams and they have little kicker motors so they have to get that out of the truck and bolt it on and then grab their gear which takes a bit of time. A car topper with a pram on the roof isn't loading up the boat on a trailer in the parking lot before launching. A car topper is popping their pram/canoe/ off the roof and then loading it up. That can't be done on a boat ramp as it takes a bit of time. A lot of car top users use these points as opposed to boat ramps for that exact reason ,,,,,so they can take their time and load up.
So that's the issue here, I hope it's a little clearer.


Pictures of the Cattle. This picture was taken right across from the closed off northside of Camp 5 point. You can see the ripped up shoreline from the cows as it is soft mud along the shoreline in that area.
I once witnessed two bulls going at it for a half hour 50 yards from me at cow creek kicking up a dust storm. It was quite the wild seen.
This photo is an example that a vehicle simply parking 10 feet from the shoreline on hard packed dirt is far less damaging than cattle freely roaming the shoreline all around the lake tearing it up.

As an example picture of the northside of Camp 5 point a nice open flat area with plenty of area for parking that had been in use for decades that has been closed off with boulders and logs by the USFS. I loved launching from here because it is very flat which I personally need and I could leave my wheelchair blocked by my vehicle and had a short paddle south to the dam area to flyfish or north to Jenkins if that point had a lot of vehicles.
You can see a "handicapped fishing jetty" in the distance.
All sorts of people used to park on the northside Camp 5 point pull out a chair and fish. So now they can't but USFS saw fit to spend thousands? ten thousand+? on a jetty that 90% of the time high and dry is out of the water and no one uses instead of leaving open the northside of the point to parking and fishing. It's all a money grab my fellow flyfishermen/women.
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[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Just got off the phone after a lengthy conversation with District Ranger Kelli Ward of the Plumas County USFS. I did my best advocating on behalf of all car top users of the access launching areas on Davis Lake that use Jenkins, COw Creek etc.

There is GOOD and BAD NEWS to report. I will try and give you a synopsis of the conversation and the points being brought up by both sides.
First of all their plan (the BAD NEWS) that has been in place and was being implemented (as you know the recent closure of Jenkins) is to close off all shoreline access to vehicles thereby eliminating all car topping at Davis Lake. Part of their reason as she stated is protecting the environment which I knew they she would try and argue but it is BS and doesn't hold water as the environment is being damaged by cows crapping and wizzing all around the lake trampling the shoreline, development of all kinds, pavement, parking lots, concrete boat ramps, vehicles backing into the lake washing off brake dust, axle grease, road grime into the lake etc. So parking on hard dirt by a car topper is far less damaging to the environment. So I made that point.

I stated that car toppers do not drive into the water whereas power boats on trailers back their vehicles into the lake with axle grease, brake dust, road grime from the vehicle, vehicle exhaust etc and asked why this isn't environmentally damaging? SO basically from my view point I have no issue from the USFS preventing idiots offroading or driving in environmentally sensitive areas but that can be accomplished with a few signs and hefty fines $1000 for driving in non designated areas and some strategically placed boulders that do not prevent users from getting to the end of a point Like Jenkins/Cow Creek. So preventing people from parking on dirt at Jenkins/Cow Creek etc is not an environmental issue at all in my opinion.
We also talked about access at Mosquito Slough and how that parking area has shrunk and Lightning Tree and how users were able to drive on hard packed dirt to launch at Lightning Tree to access Grizzly Arm and what can be done to create better access on the north east side of the lake for safe access to Grizzly arm.

On behalf of disabled persons/disabled veterans/myself and all car toppers I discussed the northside of Camp 5 one of my favorite launching spots which was closed off a few years ago with logs and boulders and why that was closed and if it was designated environmentally sensitive why would that area be designated environmentally sensitive while the rest of the point isn't and why can cows crap and destroy the shoreline 100 yards away? She had no answer and agreed and questioned the logic and expressed that she would research that further and see what could be done.
I asked why hundreds of heads of cattle are allowed to graze freely all around the lake but users can't park on hard dirt close to the shoreline? I brought up how the cows tear up the shoreline sinking into the mud leaving behind deep hoof prints, urinating leaving behind cow patties etc and why isn't this considered environmentally damaging to the lake shoreline? So all that right there pretty much blows a hole in that entire USFS argument.

Just to be clear, I am not against the cattle grazing around the lake. Just keep them out of the actually environmentally sensitive areas the creeks like Cow/Freeman/Grizzly creek (which Battling Bob Baiocchhi fought for) the rest of the shoreline as I see it isn't environmentally sensitive. The grazing has been going on for forever and I like my tri tip.
Also I am not against development and improvements such as paved roads, parking lots, concrete boat ramps etc....I just believe access should remain for all users and parking 20 feet from the shoreline in a designated area should not be closed off.

That's about the gist of it really. So the (GOOD NEWS) is they are currently reviewing the issues and contemplating what is going on. She (they....USFS) admittedly had no clue of the lakes use and car topper flyfishermen/women so I also explained that car top users need these areas to safely access fishing areas at different times of the year to get to where the hatches are going off and the fish are.

So basically I took away from the conversation that the USFS is willing to consider car top users and our needs. She is going to further research the issue and stated she will bring it up for review by USFS personnel and Christopher Carlton Forest supervisor and the powers that be.

Once again I want to emphasize that now is the time to make your voice heard while they are listening and we have their ear, before it's too late and car topping at Davis is gone for good.
Send an email.....make a call. In the time you type a post on here you could have written an email on behalf of yourself or your fellow flyfishermen/women and done something good for the flyfishing community.

GOOD LUCK to ALL!
GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Just to let anyone that cares about fishing access for all of your fellow flyfishermen/women you should email all three persons that are reviewing Davis and Frenchman's lakes access.

Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov

Keli.Ward@usda.gov

rachel.bauer@usda.gov

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Hello my fellow flyfishermen/women.

Here are some additional contacts at the Plumas County USFS that I had been in contact with and I forgot to provide that are responsible for recreational opportunities in Plumas County. I would recommend including them in any emails you send to the USFS as they have input into decisions as this access issue at Davis/Frenchman's will be decided by committee. If you have sent emails to Christopher Carlton, Keli Ward or Rachel Bauer simply forward to these emails as these individuals are responsible for seeing that all users are considered in USFS policy.

It has come to my attention today 9/15 after speaking with the USFS acting District Ranger Rachel Bauer that Kaitlyn McGlamery is responsible for enacting the Jenkins closure so I suggest making sure she hears your voice and particularly Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton as he is ultimately responsible for what takes place in Plumas County National Forest.
GOOD LUCK!



Kaitlyn McGlamery
Public Services Staff
Plumas National Forest
p:530-836-7120
kaitlyn.mcglamery@usda.gov

Erika Brenzovich
Recreation and Lands Program Manager
Plumas National Forest,
Supervisor's Office
p:530-283-7798
c:530-927-8532
erika.brenzovich@usda.gov

Evelyn Breedlove
Lead Recreation Technician
Plumas National Forest
Beckwourth Ranger District
p:530-836-7123
f:530-836-0493
evelyn.breedlove@usda.gov

[Bill Kiene semi-retired]

MPO.......the Feds and Globalists want all humans out of the rural open wild lands and into big cities so they can be more easily controlled.

All part of the big plan to reduce the World's human population by 50%, ASAP. Read about Bill Gates.

This is all public information.....they are not hiding it.

They have been closing off access to lakes for decades. Small parking lot and a chain / barriers across the old access road.

This saves money so there is more $$$ in the "pot" to steal.

Feds want us out and wants to put it back to the way it was before white man came.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

They have been closing off access to lakes for decades. Small parking lot and a chain / barriers across the old access road.


Feds want us out and wants to put it back to the way it was before white man came.

Your first sentence is spot on 100%. USFS Plumas County has been squeezing users into tighter and tighter areas a perfect example is Davis Lake/Camp 5/ Mosquito Slough which had an open area with plenty of space for vehicles but now that has shrunk and can no longer accommodate 1/3 of the vehicles that were once able to park there. Same is about to happen to Jenkins and Cow Creek if not entirely closed off to car top launching. They are going to close off the point and parking area shrinking it dramatically so now we will be fighting one another for parking space if they even allow car top launching and the ability to launch. At Jenkins Point/ Davis Lake when the fishing was good there would be two dozen plus cars parked on the point everyone having a spot to park and launch their prams or tubes. I spoke with USFS Rachel Bauer Acting District Ranger yesterday....they are in the process of placing boulders and closing off Jenkins.

Your second sentence I quoted I do agree it is the case elsewhere on USFS lands but on Davis/Frenchman's and various lakes they use development to control and restrict users. Frenchman's and Davis were once not long ago undeveloped lakes with undeveloped roads, the entire lake all around the lake was natural and undeveloped. Access was on dirt roads cut by users or USFS and logging roads etc. Jenkins as one example was a rough road with deep pits of rutted out deep puddles we had to cross each spring. NOW USFS sees fit to paving and development and control of the user and limiting access. I prefer the way it once was, but I have no issue with any development, paving of roads, parking lots, concrete boats ramps etc as long as it allows users (car toppers) to use the lake without having to lose launching areas or be squeezed into small parking areas. The problem as I see it is the USFS in their actions they try and control everything to squeeze $$$$$ and in turn shrink parking areas, close off launching areas on points and as we know restrict certain users from car top launching and parking as needed.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

I spoke with Acting District Ranger Rachel Bauer, Beckwourth Office Plumas National Forest yesterday 9/15 for a half hour discussing various issues related to the ongoing closures at Davis Lake, Jenkins/Cow Creek etc.

This is what I learned....

First off, they are rotating District Rangers on a monthly basis and will be doing so for the next 6 months plus until they decide on an individual hire. This is irrelevant to our cause. The effort and your voice emails/calls need to be directed to the USFS FOREST SUPERVISOR Plumas National Forest Christopher Carlton Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov p:530-283-7810 c:530-927-7713 as he is the big cheese and ultimately the one who signs off on everything as far as I have gathered although there is definitely input from a variety of individuals. This is a federal government bureaucracy of the worst kind and they can screw over users with any excuse and bull reason as they choose but it is done by committee and there is input from the individuals I have listed on this thread and others I am unaware of.

Second, It appears this individual Kaitlyn McGlamery
Public Services Staff
Plumas National Forest
p:530-836-7120
kaitlyn.mcglamery@usda.gov is entrusted and responsible for pushing forward on the closure of Jenkins Point to car topping and closing off the parking and access and launching. She is following USFS policy and decisions as to what the Plumas County USFS wants done with the lake. From what Rachel Bauer told me this Kaitlyn is the one planning where the boulders will go and how much area there will be for parking so I strongly suggest you email and call her and leave messages and let her know that we as car toppers need launching on the end and all around Jenkins point and plenty of parking as Jenkins has historically seen a dozen-30 plus cars on any given weekend when the fishing is good.

Third, They can claim any BS as to why they are closing off access. I have heard all kinds of excuses and bull reasons such as it isn't a "designated USFS road" meaning the area around a point such as Camp 5 northside or Jenkins isn't a designated access road so therefore we can close it off by throwing logs and boulders. But of course the rest of the point they can do as they see fit and put in a paved parking lot and boat ramp etc. They can also BS claim they are doing it in the interest of "environmental protection". This is laughable and I have challenged them on this and both Keli Ward and Rachel Bauer have acknowledge the lunacy of their position but once again it is done as a bureaucracy. For instance they have closed off Camp 5 northside for "non designated road" and then tried to claim it was in the interest of environmental protection. I showed them pictures of the cattle trampling the shoreline a hundred yards away from Camp 5 in the cove(pictures on this thread) but the hard packed dirt we park on is in their bs claim environmentally sensitive. What about the entire shoreline the cattle are free to roam and trample?. So basically they can lie right to your face and make up any claim and lie and do as they see fit.

One thing I have learned dealing with this bloated federal bureaucracy is that everyone at the USFS tries to pass the buck to someone else and not take responsibility. BUT,,,,Ultimately the Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton is responsible for what takes place in Plumas County so I strongly recommend directing your #1 focus and voice to him as he can't shuck responsibility. Email/call everyone I have listed include them in your email address for any letters you send and forward your emails to all of them.

It's crunch time.
They are hell bent on closing off access all around the lake and don't give much of a damn but your voice does count and does have an impact. The problem has been we as flyfisherman/car toppers have been silent for too long and they have been chipping away and chipping away at access because we haven't spoken up and made our voices heard. Now is the time to put the pressure on them otherwise they are going to boulder off Jenkins Point and Cow creek to car topping and once that happens it is game over and impossible to get things reversed.

GOOD LUCK! Keep fighting the good fight!

[Odonata]

It's sad to read about elderly folks falling victim to conspiracy theories.

[tcorfey]

It's sad to read about elderly folks falling victim to conspiracy theories.

Actually what is really sad is the younger generations that have succumbed to the indoctrination that you should not think for yourself. Instead of standing up for what you believe is right, your government knows what is best for you. They will teach you that in schools, through the media and on the Internet. They want you to learn that you should not question their authority on such matters.

As we get further and further away from the Revolutionary war the generations forget the lessons of the past and rely on the government to provide all the answers. The older generations knew that governments are basically a necessity but, they have to be watched carefully as they tend to become more corrupt the longer they stay in power. There is an old saying that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why older people with their vast wealth of experience should not be taken lightly, they have seen the changes and know what those changes lead us to.

Take an older person to lunch today, then just listen, you may learn something.

Regards,
Tim C

[Ralph]

I spoke with Acting District Ranger Rachel Bauer, Beckwourth Office Plumas National Forest yesterday 9/15 for a half hour discussing various issues related to the ongoing closures at Davis Lake, Jenkins/Cow Creek etc.

This is what I learned....

First off, they are rotating District Rangers on a monthly basis and will be doing so for the next 6 months plus until they decide on an individual hire. This is irrelevant to our cause. The effort and your voice emails/calls need to be directed to the USFS FOREST SUPERVISOR Plumas National Forest Christopher Carlton Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov p:530-283-7810 c:530-927-7713 as he is the big cheese and ultimately the one who signs off on everything as far as I have gathered although there is definitely input from a variety of individuals. This is a federal government bureaucracy of the worst kind and they can screw over users with any excuse and bull reason as they choose but it is done by committee and there is input from the individuals I have listed on this thread and others I am unaware of.

Second, It appears this individual Kaitlyn McGlamery
Public Services Staff
Plumas National Forest
p:530-836-7120
kaitlyn.mcglamery@usda.gov is entrusted and responsible for pushing forward on the closure of Jenkins Point to car topping and closing off the parking and access and launching. She is following USFS policy and decisions as to what the Plumas County USFS wants done with the lake. From what Rachel Bauer told me this Kaitlyn is the one planning where the boulders will go and how much area there will be for parking so I strongly suggest you email and call her and leave messages and let her know that we as car toppers need launching on the end and all around Jenkins point and plenty of parking as Jenkins has historically seen a dozen-30 plus cars on any given weekend when the fishing is good.

Third, They can claim any BS as to why they are closing off access. I have heard all kinds of excuses and bull reasons such as it isn't a "designated USFS road" meaning the area around a point such as Camp 5 northside or Jenkins isn't a designated access road so therefore we can close it off by throwing logs and boulders. But of course the rest of the point they can do as they see fit and put in a paved parking lot and boat ramp etc. They can also BS claim they are doing it in the interest of "environmental protection". This is laughable and I have challenged them on this and both Keli Ward and Rachel Bauer have acknowledge the lunacy of their position but once again it is done as a bureaucracy. For instance they have closed off Camp 5 northside for "non designated road" and then tried to claim it was in the interest of environmental protection. I showed them pictures of the cattle trampling the shoreline a hundred yards away from Camp 5 in the cove(pictures on this thread) but the hard packed dirt we park on is in their bs claim environmentally sensitive. What about the entire shoreline the cattle are free to roam and trample?. So basically they can lie right to your face and make up any claim and lie and do as they see fit.

One thing I have learned dealing with this bloated federal bureaucracy is that everyone at the USFS tries to pass the buck to someone else and not take responsibility. BUT,,,,Ultimately the Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton is responsible for what takes place in Plumas County so I strongly recommend directing your #1 focus and voice to him as he can't shuck responsibility. Email/call everyone I have listed include them in your email address for any letters you send and forward your emails to all of them.

It's crunch time.
They are hell bent on closing off access all around the lake and don't give much of a damn but your voice does count and does have an impact. The problem has been we as flyfisherman/car toppers have been silent for too long and they have been chipping away and chipping away at access because we haven't spoken up and made our voices heard. Now is the time to put the pressure on them otherwise they are going to boulder off Jenkins Point and Cow creek to car topping and once that happens it is game over and impossible to get things reversed.

GOOD LUCK! Keep fighting the good fight!

3rd time commenting on this issue. I've been in this fight for 50 years. Plain and simple, follow the money. Congressman LaMalfa has directed the Plumas to monetize the forest in every way possible. To this end the USFS Plumas has contracted with Outdoors in Plumas to do just that. The Plumas is now charging $10.00 to WALK in to see Frazier Falls, Mt Hough, and Mills Peak. Lake Davis is simply a whiff in the wind. The plan is to direct traffic to pay to play launch sites such as Camp 5, Mallard and Lightning Tree. If you want a season pass, you have to pay for EACH launch site on Davis. I admire your effort, but you are barking up the wrong tree. This is a congressional issue and the district ranger will not risk losing his/her job to skirt LaMalfa's directive. Petition LaMalfa, NOT the forest service. And vote to replace LaMalfa when the time comes.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

3rd time commenting on this issue. I've been in this fight for 50 years. Plain and simple, follow the money. Congressman LaMalfa has directed the Plumas to monetize the forest in every way possible. To this end the USFS Plumas has contracted with Outdoors in Plumas to do just that. The Plumas is now charging $10.00 to WALK in to see Frazier Falls, Mt Hough, and Mills Peak. Lake Davis is simply a whiff in the wind. The plan is to direct traffic to pay to play launch sites such as Camp 5, Mallard and Lightning Tree. If you want a season pass, you have to pay for EACH launch site on Davis. I admire your effort, but you are barking up the wrong tree. This is a congressional issue and the district ranger will not risk losing his/her job to skirt LaMalfa's directive. Petition LaMalfa, NOT the forest service. And vote to replace LaMalfa when the time comes.

Feel free to lead the charge against LaMalfa. He isn't my congressman so I can't cast a vote to replace him. Good Luck!

[Ralph]

Feel free to lead the charge against LaMalfa. He isn't my congressman so I can't cast a vote to replace him. Good Luck!

You can believe I've been on it! LaMalfa isn't going to budge, regardless, but visitors coming into his district do have a voice.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

You can believe I've been on it! LaMalfa isn't going to budge, regardless, but visitors coming into his district do have a voice.

I again called all 4 of LaMalfa offices, got through in Redding I think it was, about 3 weeks ago and got through to an office worker. She didn't want to hear from me as I am not one of his constituents. If you are not a constituent you can't even email him and his website will block you if you don't enter the correct zip code I believe it was.

We are fighting against losing car top launching access at Jenkins and Cow Creek. If they want to allow us to continue to launch at Jenkins/Cow Creek as we have been doing without crowded crammed parking and not stop car top launching but want to charge a fee then that is ok with me. What can I/we really say to that? They charge fees everywhere these days, every state park, Yosemite, Yellowstone, camping fees everywhere, boat launching fees etc. They are doing developments all around Davis lake that is getting paid for by somebody....City of Portola doesn't want to pay, Plumas COunty doesn't want to pay, who is going to pay for all that development, the parking lots, roads being paved, camp grounds, and boat ramps etc?

They are going to squeeze money out of somebody to pay for all that. It's either going to be the residents of Plumas County with higher taxes or users. If it was up to me, if I were king, I would rather the entire lake to be undeveloped like it once was. I don't need a paved road. I don't need a concrete boat ramp. I don't need camp grounds, I don't need a paved parking lot, I surely don't need a useless boondoggle disabled fishing jetty that is high and dry 95% of the time anyway and no one can use even if they wanted to. As much as I don't like it if I have to fork out money for some launching pass then that is that and I will pay if the lake is fishing halfway decently as it has been in the past.
I/we (car toppers) just don't want to lose those launching areas of Jenkins/Cow Creek as they are vital to getting to fishing areas safely.


LaMalfa may steer USFS direction to a certain extent but we also have our voice too and input and right now the USFS is finally listening and researching car topping needs at Davis Lake so we need to speak up and see what plays out. If flyfishermen/women speak up and email and/or call the USFS contacts I provided (particularly, USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov p:530-283-7810 c:530-927-7713)
we just might actually succeed. We'll see. So I encourage everyone to do so.....

GOOD LUCK! GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Actually what is really sad is the younger generations that have succumbed to the indoctrination that you should not think for yourself. Instead of standing up for what you believe is right, your government knows what is best for you. They will teach you that in schools, through the media and on the Internet. They want you to learn that you should not question their authority on such matters.

As we get further and further away from the Revolutionary war the generations forget the lessons of the past and rely on the government to provide all the answers. The older generations knew that governments are basically a necessity but, they have to be watched carefully as they tend to become more corrupt the longer they stay in power. There is an old saying that power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. That is why older people with their vast wealth of experience should not be taken lightly, they have seen the changes and know what those changes lead us to.

Take an older person to lunch today, then just listen, you may learn something.

Regards,
Tim C

Nice post, nice rebuttal!!!! .... You know what?....I would LOVE IT if you put your writing skills, intellect, and opinion to use and take a few minutes of your time to send an email and/or make a phone call to USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton, Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov p:530-283-7810 c:530-927-7713 helping your fellow flyfishermen/women regarding the closures of car top launching access at Davis Lake, Jenkins Point/Cow Creek/Camp 5 etc. Can we count on you? We need your HELP. We need all the help we can get. Fight the USFS closures.
GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

It's sad to read about elderly folks falling victim to conspiracy theories.

You know what's really sad??????.....Flyfishermen/women that are too gutless or lazy to support their fellow flyfishermen/women. That's SAD!
Have you sent an email or made a call to USFS Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton, Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov p:530-283-7810 c:530-927-7713 on behalf of your fellow flyfishermen/women? We need YOUR HELP. Fight the USFS, not your fellow flyfishermen/women.

GOOD FISHING!

[tcorfey]

Okay FF, I will send out an email this weekend.:)

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Okay FF, I will send out an email this weekend.:)

Awesome! Thank you very much! We need all the help we can get. Every voice counts and helps. The more people that contact the USFS the better.

GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

UPDATE DAVIS LAKE ACCESS CLOSURES
The Good, The Bad, The Ugly.......

Hello my fellow flyfishermen and women!
I hope all of you are enjoying this fall/winter weather we are experiencing and getting out there and into the fish with these cooler temperatures.

First of all I would like to thank everyone that took the time to email and/or call the USFS on behalf of yourself, your fellow flyfishermen/women, disabled veterans/persons, car toppers etc regarding the access closures at Davis Lake.
So, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!.....it's GREATLY APPRECIATED.....and is actually helping the cause! The more voices the better!

I wanted to give an update on what has transpired between myself and the USFS Plumas County regarding my ongoing efforts to negotiate a result on behalf of all "car toppers" interested in fishing Davis Lake. Sadly, the closure at Jenkins Point remains so if you have plans to fish the lake and need to offload close to the lake shore it is a no go at Jenkins. In the past when the lake was fishing well at the top of its game there would be 30+ cars parked on Jenkins point. That has been reduced to room for maybe 8-10 vehicles squeezed together at best. They created a tiny gravel parking area and have placed signs stating that you must be parked in that parking area and can not drive anywhere close to the water to offload.

I recently contacted Christopher Carlton the Forest Supervisor and he informed me that a new acting district ranger has been appointed, Rachel Bauer is no longer in the position and that person now is Matthew Waterston matthew.waterston@usda.gov. So if you want to type up your first email or forward an email you have already sent to Rachel Bauer or Kelli Ward that is a person to contact as well as Forest Supervisor Christopher Carlton christopher.carlton@usda.gov. They are rotating in new acting District Rangers on a monthly basis until they hire a person on a permanent basis. This has been their excuse for inaction regarding addressing Jenkins Point and other access areas that the NEW District Ranger will be making a decision. It appears Carlton the Forest Supervisor has passed the responsibility downward for whatever reasons which I do not understand. Why he refuses to make a decision is beyond me. Christopher Carlton also stated that in addition to Matthew Waterston, Erika Brenzovich Recreation Program Manager erika.brenzovich@usda.gov will be reviewing and working on the issue. My question becomes why can't the current acting District Ranger address the situation or the Forest Supervisor? A former acting District Ranger this past summer enacted the closure so why can't that be reversed or addressed by the current acting district ranger? It is a lot of BS and run around and excuses but when dealing with government bureaucracies this is what must be dealt with if you want a change. Christopher Carlton also informed me that he is instructing "Outdoors in Plumas" the USFS contracted concessionaire to look into the matter. I am curious to what role exactly they are playing in this.

I was hoping to get this resolved prior to this years Veteran's Day of Remembrance November 11, 2021 on behalf of our severely disabled veterans that need any access they can find but sadly that appears will not happen. You would think that the USFS would want to preserve, restore, create access and welcome disabled veterans to Plumas County area lakes like Davis or Frenchman's but that is not the case at all. In fact, they could careless as they have made Frenchman's completely inaccessible for a severely disabled person/veteran as far as an area to launch where in the past there were areas all around the lake where one could drive down to the water and park and offload and leave your wheelchair sitting at the waters edge waiting for your return. They are doing to Davis what they have done to Frenchman's. I feel bad for the newly injured young man or woman veteran that becomes severely disabled that loses their legs at the hip to an IED or suffers a spinal cord injury and will be using a wheelchair or is severely mobility impaired and wants to kayak fish either of these lakes independently. That freedom and independence I and others have enjoyed for decades is fading fast in Plumas County. I will be sending off many emails this coming week on behalf of our disabled veterans but so far it has fallen on deaf ears of the USFS Plumas county personnel.

I'd also like to mention that if any of you know of any disabled veterans (severely mobility impaired/wheelchair user) or anyone severely disabled in northern California or Nevada that might be interested in getting into fishing from a kayak or where they might find some access at a lake please have them contact me through this website and I would be more than happy to give them all my decades of knowledge and information on where and how and the few spots at lakes that I know have access or to personally take them out fishing and guide them.

.....anyway keep the faith....we shall triumph..... and GOOD FISHING to my fellow flyfishermen and women!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

HELLO MY FELLOW FLYFISHERMEN AND WOMEN!

I hope all of you are getting out there and doing some great fishing with a cool early fall!

I have been busy dealing with the USFS Plumas COunty hammering them on this issue relentlessly. I will try and UPDATE when I get the chance and let you know what has been going on. I have the USFS Forest Supervisors Christopher Carlton's ear although he does everything he can to pass the buck on this issue to the acting district ranger which they then of course blow it off and try and pass the buck by saying no decision will be made until a District Ranger is hired or some such bs but nonetheless I keep putting the pressure on. It's lots of BS and bureaucratic game playing but it is what it is.

IF you fish davis and car top and care about car top launching access I strongly suggest you do the same and write Christopher Carlton Christopher.Carlton@usda.gov and Erika Brenzovich erika.brenzovich@usda.gov because now is the time before it is too late. Come spring they are either going to shut down Jenkins for good and then that's it we won't be able to reverse it and then they will close Cow Creek next if they don't get challenged on Jenkins and no more car top launch access at those nice west shore wind sheltered leeward launching areas we have enjoyed for 50+ years that get us to all the close by fishing spots safely and quickly.

I have also been appealing to the USFS on behalf of disabled Veterans (as Veterans Day of Remembrance is approaching November 11, 2021) for access which these spots are nice flat hard packed dirt areas which are nice launching areas for the mobility impaired. These are my go to spots when I guide a disabled person Veteran or non-Veteran as they are the safest spots for a first time kayaker and easy for anyone with some sort of mobility impairment which I work with. If you are a Veteran or not right now is a great time to send an email on behalf of our disabled Veterans with mobility impairments that need any and all access they can find. That's the tough part for some newly injured Veteran double amputee or spinal cord injury now having to use a wheelchair or crutches or prosthetics etc to find easy access that gets their independence back and gets them out there in the outdoors. It's very good for their mental health as some 6000 Veterans take their lives each year and any Freedom and Independence of the severely disabled Veteran in the outdoors really does help and can save lives.

I would like to remind persons reading this thread that if any of you know of any disabled Veterans or non-Veterans that have some sort of mobility impairment and might be interested in getting into kayak fishing have them contact me here as I will try and check here every few weeks as time permits.

GOOD LUCK! GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

BAD NEWS

WHAT I HAVE BEEN TOLD and WHAT I DETERMINED READING BETWEEN THE LINES>

I Spoke with Erika Brenzovich for 48 minutes on November 12. I have been advocating for access for disabled veterans (Veterans Day November 11), on this issue of access at Davis Lake and its impact on disabled veterans/persons, so I got a call from her.

BAD NEWS>The USFS has dumped a pile of boulders at Jenkins Point but she stated they have not been placed, (YET). She stated they will do a field access assessment with me weather permitting in early December to make a final determination or if not this December then next spring. I don't believe anything they say. They have lied over and over and each person passes the buck to someone else. I have this time (since Jenkins issue) directed everything at Christopher Carlton ultimately holding him responsible as he is the Forest Supervisor. They do all these decisions by committee and initiate plans over a period of years. She told me their plan was (they are still reviewing) to close off ALL shoreline access at Davis Lake. Cow Creek is their planned next closure. Their reason is because people have driven down to the water at Lightning Tree with the low water. So people were driving down to the waters edge there as the boat ramp is high and dry and this bothers them. That is their entire reason for now closing Jenkins and COw Creek which they are hell bent on doing. So what they have done at Jenkins so far is they have put in a little gravel parking lot right at the very top of the road in. You drive through the trees and pop out on the top of the point and that is as far as you can now go. You can't drive to the end of the point or the north or south side of the point to launch. Right now they just have signs but I imagine they are just going to encircle that gravel parking area with those boulders and then that is it. They can't really boulder off to the north or south sides with boulders from the treeline down to the water as it would require hundreds of boulders and then the water comes up and those boulders are submerged and a boat prop can hit them so they will just leave this little parking lot that might hold 8-10 vehicles and that is it. No shoreline launching.

I have been advocating on behalf of disabled veterans/persons as I work with various non profits that provide assistance in various ways and also outdoor adaptive recreation so that has gotten their attention. BUT the fact is they really haven't cared in the past. They are hell bent on closing off the lake to all shoreline access no matter the impact. They are still taking input and (THEY SAY) they are considering the issue of access for users, general public "car toppers", disabled veterans/persons.
We'll see what happens here. As I mentioned above, Erika stated that she, Christopher Carlton, perhaps others from USFS and myself will do a field assessment at Davis and Frenchman's (they made this lake entirely inaccessible for disabled persons/veterans with closures).

So this is it. It's crunch time. If you are a "car topper" and have any desire to continue to launch at Davis Lake you better speak up now while they are still listening, because once they start placing boulders that's it, Erika stated this. If you aren't a "car topper" or maybe you don't even fish Davis lake perhaps you care about disabled veterans or your fellow flyfisherman/women and the flyfishing community. You don't have to be Shakespeare here or write an essay. A short quick simple email on behalf of disabled veterans stating you would like the USFS to preserve, restore, create access for disabled veterans at Davis Lake/Frenchman's would be great. Or for instance you would,like to see "car topper" access remain open at Davis Lake as it is needed for people launching prams, canoes, pontoons, kayaks and non motorized craft that would be great. Any view point on your own behalf or any others would be great. It's not a lost cause, but it is crunch time and now is the time to speak up.
If you do wish to help on behalf of disabled veterans/persons, yourself or just the general flyfishing community I suggest you direct your emails to #1 Christopher Carlton #2 Erika Brenzovich and name them in your email and include all above USFS email links to other USFS personnel I have included in this thread.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!
IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED!

GOOD FISHING!

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

HELLO MY FELLOW FLYFISHERMEN/WOMEN!

I have GOOD NEWS to report but the battle continues with the USFS PLUMAS COUNTY regarding car topper launching access at DAVIS LAKE/FRENCHMAN'S and around the country and YOUR HELP IS NEEDED NOW!

..... PLEASE SEND AN EMAIL TO THE USFS PLUMAS COUNTY CONTACTS I HAVE PROVIDED especially
michael.rahe@usda.gov the NEW district ranger Plumas County who actually wants to hear your voice regarding issues of car topper shoreline launching access. ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is send an email saying I need car topper access at DAVIS LAKE (Jenkins Point/Cow Creek etc). HE WANTS TO HEAR FROM YOU! He asked me to reach out to the FLYFISHING COMMUNITY to get you guys/gals to send him input through emails.....SO DO IT NOW!!!!

I have been continually fighting and pounding the USFS Plumas County on this issue for YOU car toppers and disabled veterans/persons. Various disabled veterans organizations have become interested in USFS access....PVA Paralyzed Veterans of America, DAV Disabled American Veterans, WWP Wounded Warriors Project.


First of all I want to thank everyone that has taken the time to send an email to the USFS Christopher Carlton USFS Supervisor Plumas County, christopher.carlton@usda.gov and Erika Brenzovich erika.brenzovich@usda.gov.

The Plumas County USFS now has a NEW DISTRICT RANGER and he is interested in your issue and opinion regarding car topper launching access. He called me a few weeks ago and we spoke for close to an hour regarding access at Davis Lake and we scheduled a meeting at DAVIS LAKE for MAY 13 at 9:00 AM at Camp Five Davis Lake. He called me yesterday to confirm that meeting with me at DAVIS LAKE CAMP 5 and YOU ARE INVITED to attend if you can.
He actually asked me about attendance by car toppers and car topper input, opinion, and needs and perspective.

SO IF YOU CAN ATTEND a MAY 13, 2022 9:00AM USFS MEETING with the FLYFISHING COMMUNITY @ Davis Lake Camp 5 point regarding access be there with me.

IF YOU CAN NOT ATTEND.....PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE.......just shoot off an EMAIL to Christopher Carlton christopher.carlton@usda.gov , Erika Brenzovich erika.brenzovich@usda.gov and the NEW (finally) DISTRICT RANGER Michael Rahe michael.rahe@usda.gov who has shown himself to be interested in issues of access for the car topper flyfishing community and disabled veterans and the disabled community.

So PLEASE send an email to the USFS. All you need to say in an email is I am unable to attend the May 13, 2022 USFS/Car Topper shoreline launching access meeting at Davis Lake Camp 5 but I am interested in seeing car topper shoreline launching access remain, restored at Davis Lake.

SIncerely THANK YOU.... and thank you to sfspey for your private message and you sending recent emails to USFS Plumas COunty.

PJB

[Bill Kiene semi-retired]

Chuck Campana and friends use to rough camp on the west side of Davis lake for decades.


City, county, state and federal governments all love to mess with "We the People".

240 years ago our government was supposed to controlled by the people.

Now the governments are in total control of us?

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

Chuck Campana and friends use to rough camp on the west side of Davis lake for decades.


City, county, state and federal governments all love to mess with "We the People".

240 years ago our government was supposed to controlled by the people.

Now the governments are in total control of us?


I'd say that's part of their motivation for doing what they are doing as they have actually expressed that in so many words to me in our conference call I did December 3, 2021 with members of the USFS, Forest Supervisor CHristopher Carlton. That's their plan to close off all shoreline launching access around the lake they even mentioned that COw Creek was next. This has been decided by USFS committee and has been their direction they have been doing over several years. So they are moving in that direction and what has happened recently at Jenkins point. So that direction is hard to reverse but at least now they are willing to listen to the community and take input.

One other major problem with the USFS is that they are extremely clueless as to the needs for car topper shoreline launching access. These people working at the USFS Plumas COunty just don't understand the use of the lake by flyfishermen launching prams and small car topped watercraft, car topping from the shoreline. That is why I am posting this here as NEW District Ranger Michael Rahe michael.rahe@usda.gov has asked that I help to get him input from the flyfishing community (car toppers) regarding the need for shoreline access for launching. He actually wants to hear from you.

If you have issue with the USFS closing off shoreline launching access around DAVIS LAKE please take a minute to send an email to michael.rahe@usda.gov expressing your view points about DAVIS LAKE car topper access particularly the planned closure of Jenkins Point/Cow Creek etc.

SO NOW!!!! is the time to send an email to michael.rahe@usda.gov because he wants input from members of the flyfishing community (car toppers) ......just one sentence saying you want/need car topper shoreline launching access at DAVIS LAKE Jenkins Point and around the lake will help.

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

******USFS site visit to DAVIS LAKE to discuss and evaluate access, CAMP 5 POINT 9:00am Friday May 13, 2022.*********

You are encouraged to attend.
The more people that get involved with this issue the better chance we have on saving Davis Lake (and elsewhere) for car topper shoreline launching access and parking areas on various points, Jenkins, Cow creek etc.
They want to hear what YOU have to say. They actually are open to reversing their planned policy of closing off all shoreline access at Davis Lake IF THE COMMUNITY demands it. BUT They won't reverse their plans if no one cares and no one speaks up. They will just go ahead with their plans and close off everything. Cow Creek is next on their agenda.

I realize many of you won't be able to attend this USFS site visit meeting to discuss access at Davis Lake. That's OK. I will of course be there advocating on your behalf. If you can make it that would be great. It should be a good weekend of fishing with nice warm upper 70's low 80's temperatures which should get the bugs going.

***********If you can't attend but do care about issues of access for yourself and your fellow flyfishermen/women then PLEASE take a moment of your time to do something for your fellow flyfishermen/women and the flyfishing community.***********

Even if you aren't a car topper or you don't fish Davis Lake please just send a brief email to Michael Rahe, michael.rahe@usda.gov Christopher Carlton, christopher.carlton@usda.gov Erika Brenzovich, erika.brenzovich@usda.gov. on behalf of your fellow flyfishing community.

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO is type up a few sentences in an email asking the "USFS to preserve, restore and save shoreline access for users" THAT"S IT!!!!! Just a few words, a few sentences will make a BIG DIFFERENCE. If no one speaks up then they will just close off everything at the lake as they have planned. 4000+ have viewed this thread. IF 1% of you took a few moments to send an email this issue would be over with, done and we saved access.

IF you aren't impacted by the proposed closures at Davis Lake perhaps you care about the impact it has on someone else....your flyfishing community. DO IT for your fellow flyfishermen/women the flyfishing community. Or do it because you just care about issues of flyfishing access in general. Or do it because you hate over reaching federal government agencies and policies that impact individual freedoms. DO it for the disabled veteran that suffered a spinal cord injury or had both his legs blow off and uses a wheelchair and needs to off load a kayak close to the waters edge. OR maybe do it for a former friend who was a car topper pram flyfisherman that is no longer with us.
Please just send a few emails...no matter your motivation. We all have different reasons but many of our reasons and interest coincide as flyfishermen/women. Also please reach out to any and all flyfishermen/women personal friends you may know that may be interested, fly shops you frequent, flyfishing groups and organizations, flyfishing clubs that you are involved with and let people know the issue and that they can help by simply sending a few emails. We need ALL THE HELP we can get!

So if you do take a few moments of your time to send a few emails THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!!!

Thanks to STU and sfspey for your efforts sending emails.

GOOD FISHING TO ALL!!!

PJB

[FREEDOM-FLYFISHER]

HELLO,

First of all let me apologize for not keeping you updated and responding on this issue.
Unfortunately I have had various personal health setbacks and on top of that my computer has been in the computer repair show since MARCH so I have been off the internet.

OK,

Let me say THANK YOU!!! EACH AND EVERYONE ONE YOU THAT SENT EMAILS TO THE US FOREST SERVICE REGARDING THIS ISSUE.

EARLY MAY I MET WITH THE USFS AND 4 PERSONNEL AT CAMP 5 DAVIS LAKE. I DID THE best I could to explain the issues for YOU the able bodied car topper and the needs of shoreline access for persons with disabilities.

SYNOPSIS. I met with 4 persons from the USFS Plumas county, Chris Carlton (USFS Supervisor), Erika Brenzovich, Michael Rahe (New Plumas COunty District Ranger), Kaitlyn McGlamery at Camp 5 and we discussed access for everyone and I thought they were concerned about disabled access and access for car toppers.

We went around the lake from CAMP 5 to Jenkins Point and I tried to explain to them the need for this access point. Jenkins, Cow Creek, Lightning Tree etc..COW CREEK is the #1 access point for launching car top boats and getting to the weed beds for damsel flyfishing to Fugawee, Freeman Cove and around the north west area of the lake which has the best damsel flyfishing during late mAY, june and early july.

So basically I think they got it. They were very nice and tried to understand the issues. UNFORTUNATELY they repeatedly tried to fall back on UNITED STATES government laws and some BS about how the US Government says we can do this or that closing off access.

They said they will not close off Jenkins Point at this time. This is what they said. Whether I believe them I DO NOT believe ANY GOVERNMENT official. I go by what I believe it when I see it.
So we shall see where they put all those boulders at Jenkins Point.

ANYWAY ONCE AGAIN......THANK YOU...THANK ALL OF YOU THAT EMAILED USFS!!!! I AM TELLING YOU YOUR EFFORT HELPED DRAMATICALLY.!!!!!

WE SHALL SEE WHAT HAPPENS HERE.