Release Indicator?????

[gene goss]

I was looking for a indicator to fish deep water 20+ ft.., that would release when you hook a fish, so you could land the fish in a net from a float tube....i would welcome and feed back.....i'm clueless

[midger]

You might check with the shop to see if they carry them, but I know you can find the releasable indicators on ebay and through idahofly.com if Fishwest doesn't stock them.

[Fly Right]

I was looking for a indicator to fish deep water 20+ ft.., that would release when you hook a fish, so you could land the fish in a net from a float tube....i would welcome and feed back.....i'm clueless

Check out a French coil indicator. They are easy to make and can be wound through guides.

[Troutstalker55B]

This is the slip bobber I used last year at Lake Davis for deep water presentations and I'm quite pleased with it.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/moto55b/a9_zpsc0460a38.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/moto55b/media/a9_zpsc0460a38.jpg.html)

[SHigSpeed]

http://www.stillwaterflyfishingstore.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2&zenid=f4o2rq6f5jjr0dns9un3f06rk1

These are what I use.

Now I found a similar product at Sportsman's but the foam is split so you'll have to glue the gap or put a band around the foam to keep it from getting away when released.

_SHig

[Terry Thomas]

We have slip indos in stock and will have Rob's system in stock when our preseason arrives...could be in later this week.

[SHigSpeed]

We have slip indos in stock and will have Rob's system in stock when our preseason arrives...could be in later this week.
Terry,

I saw a video for a "trapped air" indicator that has a split-stud top with a locknut for ease of adjustment and no-kink fixture. Do you have these?

thanks!

_SHig

[TonyMuljat]

Dumb newbie question #248: Do you cast with a set up like this? Or do you literally just drop your line right under your boat/float tube?

[SHigSpeed]

Casting takes some technique. Big open loops and lobs. Long rods help.

_SHig

[Larry S]

Gene,
Several years ago, I found some from "The Fly Desk" located in Utah.
Google them. They sell packs of 5 for $3.50; 1/2 doz sizes from reasonable
to scary big! Basically, styrofoam body with hole in center and a plastic plug.
You place a small loop of leader pinched between the body and plug.
When a fish strikes and you lift, the loop is released and you reel in;
The indicator should slide freely. The trick is to have the friction between the body
and the plug just right. Too tight and no release (have to do it by hand, then);
too loose and it might release when casting or when experiencing a "drive-by."
Casting can be a challenge having a 15 - 20 feet of leader below the indicator. I always
figured that this made for more fun on the water, though.
Best,
Larry S

[stonefish]

Being able to stand up while casting helps as well, especially when fish 20'+ leaders.

Depending on how you set up your indicator (pin towards or away from your rod tip), you can use a single rubber bobber stop to avoid losing the pin if you get snapped off by a fish. The bobber stop works in place of the swivel.
This video may help the original poster as far as how to set up the indicator.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt8XwFfOcXE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
SF

[Larry S]

The video posted by "stonefish" describes the indicator system I was talking about. I had the
tear drop shape.
Best,
Larry S

[Troutstalker55B]

When deep indicationg you do not have to cast far at all, in fact I use this system for complete rookies, all they have to do is get it over the boat. We had plenty of hook ups last season when the bobber was a rod's length away from the boat. Rob's leader has 30lb specrta line so the line will not break where the indicator is at. At the bottom of the spectra line there is a swivel where you just add 4-10 feet of floro tippet. You can make your own, but make sure you mark the spectra line with a sharpie felt pen every foot so you can pin point your presentation depth.

[gene goss]

I like to thank everyone for sharing your info; and tips.....i'm going to try Rob Anderson Lake Leader with a 20 ft. tippet of fluorocarbon......

.....or what would be a good 30 ft. leader to fish midges???????

[Terry Thomas]

Not familiar with that one. (Reply to Shig)

[catch&release]

I was looking for a indicator to fish deep water 20+ ft.., that would release when you hook a fish, so you could land the fish in a net from a float tube....i would welcome and feed back.....i'm clueless

Gene, everyone has there own personal preference. I had Phil Rowley on my boat last June at Crowley and he was using the loop sliding leader system that he and Brian Chan have used together for years. After a few hours he took off his leader system and starting using this system8537 I use at Crowley in 20 to 25 feet of water. I feel this system with spectra is better than the rest! My reason, is that when you have a long leader system of any mono or fluorocarbon you have way too much stretch (as much as 3 to 4 feet) on the hook set. This is one of the reasons I don't care for the looped leader systems, I don't feel you don't get the best and quickest tension to the fish in deep water. You need all the help you can get especially when fishing out of a float tube in 20+ feet of water like I do at Crowley.

Also be aware that is helps to use a 6wt or 7wt rod to have more bone to get down to the fly under the indicator. I use 7wt rods when I am in 20 to 25 feet of water.

This is just my opinion on deep water setups. Everyone has there own techniques and has "confidence" in there system that has worked for them.

Hope this helps.

[DennisV]

I also use the Quick Release Indicator from the Stillwaterflyfishingstore that SHig uses.

I have a rig that's dedicated to deep indicator fishing and doesn't get used for anything else.

It's a 10' 5wt TFO Pro (medium fast action). I use an cheap 8wt SA Headstart line because I want to get that rod loaded up with 20' of fly line out.

I'll nail knot 18' of 12 lb fluoro directly to the flyline with no loops involved because that connection will spend a lot of time running in and out of the guides with a hot fish on. At the bottom end I tie on a welded stainless ring big enough to keep the Indicator attached if the tippet sections break, and a split shot just above the ring. I usually use two flys. 3' 3xTippet gets tied from the ring to the upper fly. And at least 2' or more, 4x to the bottom fly. I've had larger hooked fish snag themselves around the tail on that upper fly and that's a bummer for the fish and me, so now I keep more than 2' between flies. This is my normal rig. I'd scale up the tippets for Pyramid. This rig can cover from 6 to 23' of depth.

here's a pic of the components

http://i911.photobucket.com/albums/ac314/dvagt_photo/40209_19_zps1ad51deb.jpg (http://s911.photobucket.com/user/dvagt_photo/media/40209_19_zps1ad51deb.jpg.html)


I don't want a tapered leader for two reasons.
First, there can not be any knots in that 18' section because QR indicator wont be able to slide past them down to the end.
Second, the pressure used to set the indicator remains consistent no matter where along the leader that you place it.
The weight of the ring, shot and two weighted flies will turn the leader over.

You want to watch it carefully when it hits the water. If you see plop, plop, plop , you're good.
One or two plops and your rig's buggered up.

It's easier in a boat, but you can cast this rig from a float tube. I have 20' of fly line out and the leader hanging straight down in the water. Over lining 3 or 4 wts helps a lot with this.

Start a gentle back cast, a medium hard forward cast, and a strong second back cast, and let it fly shooting 10' more fly line.
Your flies won't leave the water until the second back cast. They won't tangle in the water. They probably will tangle false casting in
the air for too long. Think of this as a vertical waterstart cast

[JD]

...I feel this system with spectra is better than the rest! My reason, is that when you have a long leader system of any mono or fluorocarbon you have way too much stretch (as much as 3 to 4 feet) on the hook set...[snipped]
Ernie,

Very interesting. Had not thought of using GSP in a leader to reduce stretch. Makes a lot of sense, even from a general nymphing point of view...although how much the strike sets the hook with 20' of line out and how much of the work the fish does itself is an interesting question. Will have to experiment with this a bit, considering that both you and Rob and worked this into your leaders. Any particular color you favor? Thanks!

And to the OP, if you are looking for the release bobbers online, try Cascade Crest Tools and if you need a LOT of them try Hagen's Fishing Components.

[oldtrout]

This is the slip bobber I used last year at Lake Davis for deep water presentations and I'm quite pleased with it.

http://i1093.photobucket.com/albums/i424/moto55b/a9_zpsc0460a38.jpg (http://s1093.photobucket.com/user/moto55b/media/a9_zpsc0460a38.jpg.html)

This is what I use. Find the depth by hanging a hemostat off your leader. Works great for fishing midge larva. Nothing like 20"+ trout on size 20 or smaller flies.

[catch&release]

Ernie,

Very interesting. Had not thought of using GSP in a leader to reduce stretch. Makes a lot of sense, even from a general nymphing point of view...although how much the strike sets the hook with 20' of line out and how much of the work the fish does itself is an interesting question. Will have to experiment with this a bit, considering that both you and Rob and worked this into your leaders. Any particular color you favor? Thanks!

And to the OP, if you are looking for the release bobbers online, try Cascade Crest Tools and if you need a LOT of them try Hagen's Fishing Components.

Much stiffer rods, 6wt I prefer 7wt rods make all the difference in the world. I do this kind of fishing months at a time at Crowley and other stillwaters and believe me you can also go with much bigger tippet in deeper water.

The color, not sure if it would make a difference, I have always preferred green and used the 20lb spectra. I like the much smaller diameter so its more sensitive. Also prefer a tippet ring, much smaller and cleaner leader system.

[DennisV]

Ernie

Are you putting those hotter fish on the reel or hand stripping 20lb braid.
That spooks me a little.

[catch&release]

Ernie

Are you putting those hotter fish on the reel or hand stripping 20lb braid.
That spooks me a little.

You only have 10 feet of spectra, the rest is 3x or 4x to the top and bottom fly. You never put your hands on the spectra, its in the guides. i use 10 foot rods.