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JAWallace
12-03-2013, 10:20 AM
I replaced a Raymarine sonar and Airmar transducer, which I seriously hated and could never seem to read well, with the new Lowrance unit recently. I LOVE this unit and wanted to give a quick review.

First, in the 7" screen size don't waste your time looking at competitive models around that price point, because there are none. Lowrance has broken the $1000 barrier with the Elite 7 and no one can touch it. I paid just over $700 out the door from West Marine for the unit, 'ducer, and Navionics Gold Chip including tax. It looks like some people are starting to discount the Elite 7 now so you might do better elsewhere.

I did have to swap the 'ducer as it was missing a part, so I'm glad I bought it locally. West actually has a couple of people who really know the unit and they have been extremely helpful. I don't normally have high expectations there.

GPS
This comes with an internal antenna, and I have had no problems with the satellite locating my position on the Delta. It does take a minute or so, but once you're found it holds. Lowrance has vastly improved the user experience with this unit, and zooming in or out is push button easy. The Navionics Gold Chip is probably necessary for the Delta--the base system is severely lacking in contours. The cursor is very easy to move around, even while running. This is a light years improvement over my previous Lowrance GPS units.

Sonar
Same as always, a little more clear, and fairly easy to adjust the sensitivity. My old transducer was mounted on the port side of the transom. My 12' skiff has a hull similar to a Whaler, and for whatever reason Whaler recommends mounting the 'ducer on the port side. After researching I decided to install this one on the starboard side and it's a big improvement. I do lose the screen at about 19 mph, but that's only about 3 mph below my top speed and I am sure I can adjust this so it won't drop out. I'm sure the Doel Fin backwash doesn't help either.

DSI
This is an incredible feature, and based on what I had read I didn't expect it to be of much value. It's also a rare case where the actual display is better than what Lowrance shows in their pictures. It's like having a camera below the boat.

I was fishing a skinny slough in the Delta, and wasn't marking any fish. I was toggling between the DSI and Sonar, when suddenly the DSI screen picked up dozens of stripers, 2' above the bottom. It was like an underwater snapshot it was so clear. I backed off, made two casts, two fish to the boat. I would totally have missed these with the sonar alone.

You can view any combination of the three features on the screen. Full DSI, half DSI, half sonar, GPS and sonar, or all three at once. It's extremely easy to do this too, with one button and "enter."

The Elite 7 can be networked with NMEA, but I no longer need that capability. The Lowrance documentation is skimpy, and doesn't explain the non NMEA installation well, but you'll figure it out or hit me up if you have questions. The other minor negative is that you have to buy a cover separately. $20 on eBay.

I like the 7" screen for two reasons. One, there's a lot of real estate to see, and with my small boat I can swivel the unit in the RAM mount to face the bow and read it pretty well. That eliminates the need for two units for small craft. Two, my eyes aren't great and I can read this easily with my regular prescription sunglasses. With a smaller screen, I'd have to use reading glasses which is another huge PITA.

For the younger folks, or for a setup with two units where you're fairly close to them, the Elite 5 should be fine and it's a lot less money--$350 ish now on sale not including the Nav chip. I will probably rig another RAM Mount for using the Elite 7 on my pontoon. The GPS won't help without a lake chip showing contours, but the DSI is so good it seems less like overkill now that I've used it.

Don't think you can depend upon the iPhone/ipad Navionics app for GPS. Last year I was in the San Joaquin and missed my turn (discovered 5 marker buoys later) because my cell reception dropped without me realizing it. It is a GREAT app for contours and tracking IF you have cell reception. I am considering buying a chip for our local lakes, but for the most part the iPad/iPhone with a water proof case should be OK--it's just more stuff in the boat. The Nav Gold isn't perfect, but it's a big improvement over the Lowrance base.

Upgrading Tip:
If you want to sell your existing unit to help fund this one, consider parting it out. I sold my Airmar transducer and Raymarine head separately, and totally parted out an old Lowrance unit. I sold each cable, NMEA connectors, and the transducer and head separately and raised almost $1000. I paid $700 for the Lowrance in 2006 and the Raymarine came with the boat. I would have netted half that by selling them as complete packages.

~John

Loomis 1
12-03-2013, 11:06 AM
I am looking at this unit also (maybe under the x-mas tree?). I emailed Lowrance and waiting for a response. Can you overlay the sonar and down imaging screen? I thought I read somewhere where you can, but can't find it on Lowrance's website.

Bill Siler

JAWallace
12-03-2013, 12:42 PM
Maybe, I don't know. There's a manual that came with it, haven't looked at it yet. Worst case is they'd be side by side on the same screen.

From what I understand, Lowrance customer service makes Comcast look good. I have emailed them once a year or so ago and got a short answer in a couple of days. I wouldn't depend on them for anything. Most people have the same questions so I just use Google and usually find the answer in the search results on a forum.

briansII
12-03-2013, 05:17 PM
Thanks for the review. Great to read real user feedback. I'm thinking about upgrading from a older LMS unit, to the Elite 7. I like the looks/idea of the Elite 7 for all the things you mentioned, except maybe the DSI. I have a Elite 5 dsi on the front that I do not care for. The down scan has shallow water limitations, and I have not warmed up to it's "image" vs the old sonar readings. I've used a Hummingbird down scan and sonar combo that was great. Since the Elite 7 has that capability, I think I'll go with the DSI option on the 7......that is if I buy a new unit. The boat/black hole has been a bad boy this year, and I may not want to soak any more $$ into it.

briansII

golfish
12-03-2013, 05:38 PM
I have an Elite 5 DSI on my kayak and it is only DSI at 800 and 455Khz. You can do split screen between the two transducers but I don't find that useful. I usually use 800Khz in fresh but I'm mostly on 455Khz since I'm on the salt more. The competing Hummin bird models do regular sonar and DSI. Beat the crap out of mine for a couple years on the salt and it still runs perfect. 455Khz marks a GWS with no problems, LOL.

JAWallace
12-03-2013, 05:46 PM
Thanks for the review. Great to read real user feedback. I'm thinking about upgrading from a older LMS unit, to the Elite 7. I like the looks/idea of the Elite 7 for all the things you mentioned, except maybe the DSI. I have a Elite 5 dsi on the front that I do not care for. The down scan has shallow water limitations, and I have not warmed up to it's "image" vs the old sonar readings. I've used a Hummingbird down scan and sonar combo that was great. Since the Elite 7 has that capability, I think I'll go with the DSI option on the 7......that is if I buy a new unit. The boat/black hole has been a bad boy this year, and I may not want to soak any more $$ into it.

briansII

Brian I haven't had the boat in deep water so I can't comment on your experience. I rarely fish anything deeper than 50-60 feet so for me it's not an issue. Deepest I've had it was 30', crystal clear, and at even 2-3' shallow, same.

The LMS unit is what I had. You'll notice some huge user interface improvements. I never cared for that unit, and a split 5" screen gets pretty small.

briansII
12-04-2013, 11:21 AM
Brian I haven't had the boat in deep water so I can't comment on your experience. I rarely fish anything deeper than 50-60 feet so for me it's not an issue. Deepest I've had it was 30', crystal clear, and at even 2-3' shallow, same.

The LMS unit is what I had. You'll notice some huge user interface improvements. I never cared for that unit, and a split 5" screen gets pretty small.

The Elite 5 can lose bottom, or get a lot of interference, when in shallow water. The screen will get very cluttered to the point of not showing any detail. I messed with all the settings, and nothing helped. I contacted Lowrance and they verified that the DSI technology did not work well for shallow water fishing. We are talking approx. 7' or less. I can get good readings in less than 6', but not always. I assume the technology is the same with the Elite 7. The BIG advantage the 7 has, is the dual DSI, and sonar screen. You can use both technologies to verify the readings. That and the larger dual sonar/GPS screen has me wanting one for the Delta and other places.

briansII

JAWallace
12-04-2013, 11:31 AM
I'm a little confused by some of the reviews and posts I see about the DSI. Most of them are neutral to negative and for that reason I almost opted out of the DSI. One of the West guys was so exuberant about his I went for it. As I said, the images on my screen were crystal clear and at depths less than 6'. Compared to some of the prints I've seen online mine are infinitely better. It's almost like I am in simulation mode in a store--but I'm not. Maybe I just got lucky with my transducer installation, not sure.

briansII
12-06-2013, 02:02 PM
I'm a little confused by some of the reviews and posts I see about the DSI. Most of them are neutral to negative and for that reason I almost opted out of the DSI. One of the West guys was so exuberant about his I went for it. As I said, the images on my screen were crystal clear and at depths less than 6'. Compared to some of the prints I've seen online mine are infinitely better. It's almost like I am in simulation mode in a store--but I'm not. Maybe I just got lucky with my transducer installation, not sure.

This is encouraging to read. My opinion of the DSI and my Elite 5 is not as positive. It shows structure well, but it can be difficult to interpret bait and fish. I was just out on a lake last weekend. I was using my console sonar unit to find bait and fish. Once I located them, I went up to the bow to read the DSI unit. It showed the fish and bait, but it was difficult to see without looking really carefully. The fish/bass were hugging bottom, and bait was suspended just off the bottom. On my sonar, it was very clear. On the DSI, I might not have caught it. Stripers are a bit easier to see, but I still do not have 100% confidence in what I'm seeing. Pictures below are from 2 years ago, at the Delta.

Stripers on the Elite 5

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v286/briansII/Delta%202011/IMGP2099.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/briansII/media/Delta%202011/IMGP2099.jpg.html)

Bait
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The above is as good as I've gotten with the Elite 5. Most of the results are not that clear/definitive. By the way, I don't have too much trouble with shallow water interference at the Delta. Mostly it happens on lakes?

briansII

JAWallace
12-06-2013, 02:16 PM
I took one screen shot and I think I deleted it. It looks quite different--colors and all. I'll post another when I go back out.