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Bill Kiene semi-retired
10-25-2012, 08:58 AM
......for fall adult Steelhead in Nor Cal and Oregon? Not BC.......

Jason Hartwick recommends 8# Maxima Ultragreen as the lightest tippet for swinging flies for adult Steelhead.

In early November of 1981 Joe Shirshac and I hit the Trinity River really right on after a big storm. The steelhead were so thick and so fresh and so hot they were braking us off on 6# Maxima Ultragreen so we went to 8#. Some of that 8 m/m movie footage Joe took of me on that trip is in the movie, Rivers of a Lost Coast.

Joe Shrishac, Frank Pullen, Mel Jeffs and I were at the Ice Cream Riffle on the Klamath River in October in the 1970s where the larger fresh adult (6#-8#) Steelhead were breaking us off on 6# Maxima so went to 8#.

Back in old days, 1970s, Al Perryman told me that he use to buy small bulk spools of Maxima Ultragreen in 6, 8 and 10 pound test. He used 6 and 8 for coastal Steelhead and 8 and 10 for tide water salmon depending on the conditions.

Some years ago Joe Shirshac took tons of people to the Brooks River in Alaska in July for the big run of fresh Sokeye Salmon. These fish were plentiful and hard fighters. Joe finally descided that 8# Maxima Ultragreen was the right size to use because it would hold the fish but when the big Brown Bears came after your fish you could still break them off. Anything heavier than 8# was too hard to break off.

We had one of Joe's buddies come back into the shop with only the cork grip and reel and a little backing left after a bear incounter there. He said he ran away from the bear and he had heavier tippet and could not break it off so the rod finally broke just above the cork and he cut the backing loosing his fly line too. While telling us that story his eyes were still petty big.....
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I am sure that some use very large tippet (15# Maxima) for really big hot wild steelhead, especially in the winter on a big river.

Using lighter tippet than necessary to get bit is not the way to go either....


Naturally, while indicator nymphing for Steelhead you might use smaller diameter tippet than this and for casting trout flies on a trout outfit for Half-pounders you an use a smaller (3x FC) tippet too.




Tell me a story.........

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Langenbeck
10-25-2012, 09:20 AM
Use 10# Maxima Ultragreen. 8# is fine in 90% of the cases but I have a couple places that I can't follow fish so have to put the pressure on them. This is indicator fishing not swinging.

pvsprme
10-25-2012, 09:27 AM
I use #8, gone as light as 4X when nymphing small flies, egg patterns. Taken em swinging with 4x as well, on the T. Bigger rivers like the Rogue or NU I'd do as Gordon, #10 or even #12. They don't seem to be leader shy.

Jed Peters
10-25-2012, 10:08 AM
I've just started using 10# maxima instead of 8# at the advice of a Southern Oregon guide....he mentioned that he had seen 8# break off with regularity by chafing on the loop/eye of the fly when tying a non-slip loop not on the bug.

I have never seen it myself, but the guy has seen a lot more steelhead landed than I have!

He said that the "fish don't care, so why not go heavier".

For dry fly fishing, I've started building my own leaders out of maxima, starting with 40#, then 25#, then 15#, and finishing with 10#. I've noticed this turns over quite a bit better than 12', 10# Rio tapered steelhead mono leaders.

DAVID95670
10-25-2012, 10:16 AM
This is indicator fishing not swinging.

What ever it is you are doing is better described as "Catching fish" not fishing LOL talk about consistency



I like P Line Floroclear #8, #10, and #20 ..... Had a winter Fish snap off the #10 twice last winter on the American River

Maxima is kinda stiff, I have some 10# Pline Extra I like it but stiff like maxima

Charlie S
10-25-2012, 10:22 AM
I mainly fish coastal rivers and depending on water clarity I normally use anything from 8-15 lb test Rio Max Plus.....I've been using this tipper since it came out. Second choice is Maxima in same test. During early season on the Russian it is sometimes necessary to go to 6lb test. I don't indicator fish much for ironheads so I'm not too familiar with those set ups. This year could be a really good one! Streams on the coast, including the Eel River to the north, remain closed due to low flows. I think this is a good thing as it protects the resource. Even with the fair amount of rain we got here in Ukiah, the Russian is still low and clear, but it is open to fishing...will take more to bring up any significant runs of fish.

Mark Kranhold
10-25-2012, 11:21 AM
8-12 lb green max. Typically 10 lb will do the job for me depending on rod weight as well. A steelhead on the swing are generally the fresh aggressive fish that are not leader shy. The further north 12 lb. Up in B.C. 15-20 lb maxima.

winxp_man
10-25-2012, 11:41 AM
8-12 lb green max. Typically 10 lb will do the job for me depending on rod weight as well. A steelhead on the swing are generally the fresh aggressive fish that are not leader shy. The further north 12 lb. Up in B.C. 15-20 lb maxima.



+1 for maxima. This line has never really failed me if I tied the right knot.

Jeff C.
10-25-2012, 12:52 PM
8-12 lb AbrazX

jayclarkflyfishing
10-25-2012, 03:31 PM
After breaking off two large fish on the Mad a couple years back while using 12# flouro I switched to 12# Maxima Ultragreen and havent looked back. I've landed large fresh fish right off the tide without worries with Maxima.

Jay

Terry Thomas
10-25-2012, 07:30 PM
Seaguar AbrazX 10-12 lb..

AnadromousFly
10-25-2012, 11:16 PM
I love 10pound p-line cxx and I have come to love my 9# taper cut flouro leader. I carry a Tippett spool of 14,12,9 on me plus a 100yder of p-line. I have had hot fish destroy 8# from both maxima and p-line. While being in Ca you could prob fish 8 most of the time but I always like being ready for that ghost-runner that might like my fly.[-o<

shawn kempkes
10-26-2012, 09:03 AM
I follow the approach that ( Red sweatshirt fred ) uses and take any line that people throw in the line monofilament recycling bin at the local tackle shop and use that.LOL


I use p-line cxx in twelve pound in winter and 8 lb Seaguar red label in the summer when the rivers get low.

Bill Kiene semi-retired
10-26-2012, 09:07 AM
Seaguar AbrazX 10-12 lb..

Local guides Keith Kaneko and Bill Lowe are using the new Seaguar 'AbrazX' FC now.....it is supposed to be very good.

Only comes in larger spools now.

http://flyshop.kiene.com/newseaguarabrazxfluorocarbonline.aspx

Jed Peters
10-26-2012, 10:47 AM
Bill, Joe P. uses that exclusively and I use it exclusively for nymphing. Keith turned us on to it.

I don't know if I can get myself to carry around such a big roll in the waders though!

As a thought--I'm not sure how "negative" having flouro is...I would think anything we could do to fool these fish is a good thing?

rippinstreamers
10-28-2012, 12:21 AM
I prefer 10 pound seaguar blue label for all swing situations, that stuff is stout and I would say is probably more like 12 pound test. I always wondered about the use of mono on sink tips, seems counter intuitive with its floating properties.

steel2theReel
10-28-2012, 11:36 AM
Feather/Yuba/American Half Pounders - UltraMax 6# (same goes for erarly Klamath and Trinity.

I will go 8/10# during the winter and occasionally to 12# - but it doesn't seem to matter too much afterthe rains come.

I think leader length is more important than most think; 3-5' seems optimal for sink tips. Any shorter and you can line the fish; longer and you're sacrficing depth.

Start at 2'-3' of 12#, then go to your tippet section using blood knots only.



Grant

rubberguy
10-28-2012, 11:58 AM
i've been using seaguar grand max flouro #10 has a small diam.

Ben J
10-29-2012, 09:37 PM
8 lb maxima for fall fish. I've only had one fish break me off in this situation and it was in very fast shallow water, where i'm sure heavier tippet would not spook, so that might be a change to make.

12 - 15lb maxima for winter stuff