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SHigSpeed
10-02-2011, 01:11 AM
Well, since my good buddy Scott had never caught a golden before, I felt like it'd be a fine gesture to invite him to go on an overnight backpacking trip to a wilderness lake with me so that he could check that off of his list.

Foolishly, he accepted! I, being a dyed in the wool lake fanatic (though Scott may not necessarily define himself so) I was, of course, going to take my Punkin' tube with me. I'd been collecting lightweight backpacking gear to the end of allowing me to take a tube and associated items with me on extended trips - unfortunately Scott had not. I also had the advantage of another good friend who loaned me a pair of trekking poles, a compact and lightweight down bag, and a killer sleeping mat.

Here's my pack fully loaded:

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I did end up strapping my tent to the frame after I took the photo, but with 1.5 liters of water aboard and food for the two days, it tipped the scales at 41 lbs. Scott's? He sent me the following text, "My pack weighs 51 pounds!!!". To which I MAY have responded, "Have fun with that!"

Anyway, with all the planning and packing done, we met up yesterday and headed out. A quick high calorie breakfast and we were on the road. I had studied the topos of our route and read a few trip reports and though we were to be gaining about 1600 feet, it was over about seven miles so it didn't seem too bad. Some peak bagging yahoos managed the trip in like two and a half hours so we figured four hours tops, right? It's all uphill with no wasted gain in, all downhill out, easy peasy.

WRONG! It was a sucker trail. First of all, even with a topo, having read the trail reports, and TWO GPS units, we got off trail about 2 miles in. The result was a circuitous and elevation gaining bushwack instead of a simple flat path around a meadow. Only on the return trip did we see the sign we missed that would've pointed us in the right direction. You see, the GPS said we needed to go down this path... Luckily we managed to regain the trail eventually. Oh, and remember that sucker remark? Yeah, about that...

The first four miles gained a leisurely 400 feet. Now that we're well past half way, the trail gets EVIL! What that meant was now in only three miles, we had to climb 1200 feet. The climb felt like it would never end. Okay, maybe we're pansies, I know Scott had too much weight, and I could play the chemo card, but holy crap! It was seriously a rocky stairmaster for most of the rest of the trip. Okay, maybe not as extreme a haul for a grizzled veteran like Ed or Jay's recent Shepherd Pass journey, but it was our own personal gut-check.

With about a mile to go, Scott was fading fast, and I could tell that he'd need to take it easy. At this point, I offered him one of my trekking poles which seemed to help. He had the SPOT transponder, maps, GPS, and plenty of water so I asked if I could go ahead and if I didn't see him up top within an hour or so, I'd backtrack to find him after dropping my pack.

I finally climbed the stairs to the point where the trail diverged and headed to the lake. On the way there, though, I spotted a fishy looking creek and dropped the pack and quickly strung up my rod. Skunk was gone! If we didn't get any in the lake, Scott would be guaranteed to get one here! :)

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Only after viewing the second photo at home did I realize that I had a fly impaled in my palm. I guess gold is the best anesthetic.

After catching a few of these, I heard Scott calling from the trail and we played Marco-Polo until he found me. I suggested he string up and fish, but he was literally dead-man-walkin'.

So I left the rest of the inhabitants alone, repacked, and we trudged up the last few hundred yards to the lake and set up camp - VERY slowly. I remembered Scott saying that he could only sleep in his 2 person tent diagonally, and those of you who know him can attest that he's not NBA material... After checking out his tent, he admitted that it COULD be a child's tent. I suppose if it makes it lighter. ;)

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and a pano of the lake:

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So we had finally made it. What time was it? I can't remember exactly, but I do believe it was nearing four PM. We had left the trailhead at just before 9, so if you take out the creekin', it took over six hours to get there! Damn, so much for a quick four hour walk...

Anyway, the lake was there and it certainly wasn't going to fish for us so we somewhat grudgingly set up. Scott did threaten to just lay down and sleep until morning, but (in?)sanity won out. After a quick Cup Noodles snack for myself, we finally hit the water around 4:30 or so and I quickly got this beaut!:

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Heh...

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Probably a small "silver phase" golden, though it's not entirely impossible that it's a rainbow/golden hybrid.

Quick photo of SV with the sun going down:

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Soon after, I got this more respectable specimen, most certainly a goldie:

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At about that time I heard some hollerin' from across the lake and it was mission accomplished for Scotty. From that point in he pwned me on catching for the rest of the night. A great way to forget the pain of earlier for sure. As the sun went down, though the water was only 64 degrees, I started getting cold as I didn't bother to don the tights or the extra socks, and the bite had shut down, so we both kicked in for the night. At take out, as soon as I got out of the water, I couldn't stop shivering, and my hip was KILLING me. I guess the cold and the insult of marching up the cliff face earlier had taken their toll. Only after I got the wet waders off (painfully!) and my boots back on did I start to feel any better.

We each had a hot meal of Mountain House cuisine (darned good, really. I'd never had it before...) and then it was time to recharge. Before I turned in, though, I managed a shot of the sunset that was probably enhanced by the smoke of a nearby controlled burn:

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I escaped to m tent to work on the day's NY Times Crossword (still haven't finished, anyone have an 8 letter answer for "glossy scarf fabrics"?) and read a bit of "Waters of the Golden Trout Country" for inspiration.

Last night really didn't get too cold (it was 41 in the morning) but boy did the wind howl! The sound in the trees was like a jet engine, but amazingly the velocity at ground level was surprisingly benign. I got up to move my tube behind my tent in case it got bad enough to blow it around, but it never got to that. As I always pack earplugs in my tents, I quickly installed those and the noise never again was an issue...

Morning came sure enough, and I got a head start with a cup of coffee and taking some photos of the sunrise and surroundings:

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After a breakfast of oatmeal for me, and more freeze-dried goodness for Scott, we headed back out for more. The wind was still an issue, and with no real hatches to help us find the fish, it was slow going. I finally managed one more goldie, and Scott finished fishless.

Here we are giving it the ol' college try:

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to be continued...

SHigSpeed
10-02-2011, 01:17 AM
continued...


With the long downhill slog ahead of us, we decided to break camp after a last meal of instant noodles (me) and more MH yummies (SV). As we packed up Scott adjusted his pack a bit to see if he could raise the frame enough that the load lifter straps worked, but to no avail. Looks like he may have a kid's pack to go with the kid's tent! :) I think after this trip he's got a new, LONG Christmas list. We then headed out with the plan of hitting the creek one last time for grins.

All I can say about that is that it's a good thing Scott got his fish on Friday... I whacked a bunch of fish out of one hiding spot to put the cherry on fishing part of the adventure.

Fire-belly:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6174/6202718510_f8c95329eb_z_d.jpg

Nice one, another silver phase? Seems too spotty, though - could be a hybrid:

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6010/6202211513_51f6d8e11d_z_d.jpg

With that, we headed back down, down, down, down, down... Interestingly in every little bit of water we almost invariably found fish, most likely goldens. Example: this tiny bit of water had a 8" fish in it!

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And some general scenery from the trail:

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And I think we both agree that this was the most welcome sign all weekend!:

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End of the road!:

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Made it!:

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and the best damn burrito ever made!

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The dinner was definitely what motivated us to get down the hill.

In all, an EPIC trip.

I learned:

- I still need to shave pounds on my float tube kit
- Overnight backpacking is fun
- I could use some boots that fit better
- Golden trout are beautiful (okay, maybe I already knew that)
- Be careful when a friend offers you a moderate hike into golden trout waters - it could be a trap!

_SHig

kokaneejr
10-02-2011, 06:20 AM
SHig

Great story and beautiful fish and scenery. I am jealous(I think). That lake pano is definitely a wall hanger.

Ed Wahl
10-02-2011, 08:28 AM
=D>=D>=D> Some good stuff there Shig, looks like a blast.

Ed

Fly Guy Dave
10-02-2011, 01:24 PM
Looks like a great trip, thanks for sharing. Some beautiful scenery and fish as well.

I've done my share of backpacking/ fishing trips in the high country, so I've tried most of the Mountain House grub, and I think it is the best out there. One to avoid is Backpacker's Pantry scrambled eggs. They were advertised as "no cook" (just add hot water) and they honestly tasted like a hot kitchen sponge. YUK! Military MREs aren't too bad, either. But nothing beats a fat burrito or burger once you are back in civilization. Yar!

To take some weight off of your back, I often leave the tent behind and sleep out. I have a small "tent" made of mosquito netting to keep the skeeters off when I'm in my bag, and I have a decent sized tarp that I sleep under if it's raining. You use your trekking poles to hold up each end of the tarp and short lines to stake down the sides. It has held up well in downpours in the high Sierra as well as up in the Galatin Range in Montana when I was at a lake fishing for (coincidentally) goldens!

Cheers!

--F.G. Dave

Scott V
10-02-2011, 06:25 PM
What more can I say, a 51 pound backpack, stupid stair like climbing over rocks and more, and all for a 13" trout. Yeah it was worth it and I'd do it again. Thanks for the trip Shig!!!

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My cherry popping golden on a fly tied from my cats hair!!!
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They got bigger!
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This one didn't want his picture taken.
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I had 5 hit my rubber legged stimu here but couldn't land a single one.
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By now I was feeling silly and looking forward to taking off my pack. Only 3 more miles to the car, yeah!!!
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gene goss
10-03-2011, 07:04 AM
Great trip and pictures....those trekking poles are the greats thing for walking and backpacking....they sure help out on those stair steps.

wineslob
10-03-2011, 07:48 AM
I've done my share of backpacking/ fishing trips in the high country, so I've tried most of the Mountain House grub, and I think it is the best out there. One to avoid is Backpacker's Pantry scrambled eggs. They were advertised as "no cook" (just add hot water) and they honestly tasted like a hot kitchen sponge. YUK! Military MREs aren't too bad, either.


Oh man, that brings back some bad memories.
I've been backpacking since the early 70's. I still use my same backpack, a Jansport D4 from about 1973-74. I used to bring the Mountain House "dog food" as we called it (beef stew was the worst), but learned to get (once it was available) Lipton noodles (mushroom is a fav) or any of the pouch rices. The mashed potatoes in a bag are excellent also.(Idahoian) I don't eat any "backpacking" food. Instant pancake mix is your friend.

Great pics of the Goldies, probably the only type of trout I've haven't caught yet.

Fly Guy Dave
10-03-2011, 11:40 AM
Honestly, things have come a long way in the "edibility" area of backpacking food. I have tried a bunch, and true, some are still pretty vile, but most are a lot better than in the past.

I was in the Boy Scouts back in the late 1970s and we did a lot of backpacking. We often had this horrid, almost inedible glob called "Chicken a la King", which was better than starving, but not by much. We also had these pilot biscuits and cheese spread for lunch and the "cheese"...well...was orange...but it wasn't really cheese, and the biscuits could be thrown hard against a tree and not break apart...or even chip...more like a beer coaster and orange goo.

When backpacking, I take some of the other stuff you mentioned, but if you are going to have "backpacking food", Mountain House is the way to go.

--F.G. Dave

Scott V
10-03-2011, 01:21 PM
Mountain House chicken teriyaki with rice is awesome, and I am real picky about my food. The mashed potatoes and chicken was very good also. the eggs with bacon are descent you just need to pour out some of the water after you let it cook. But next time I will be taking top raman for sure, I never even thought of taking that.

Jay
10-03-2011, 02:41 PM
i rarely eat MH stuff. i find most of it nasty. but the turkey tetrazini is decent.

most of my dinners are souped up top ramen or kraft mac and cheese. use easy mac so you dont have to carry powdered milk and butter/oil. adding a foil package of tuna, clams, trout, vienna sausages, wild onions, dried mushrooms, or whatever can really make a meal out of ramen or mac and still do it on the cheap and light.

this last trip i did i tried an idea i had had for a year or two. my lunches are typically tortilla, salami, and cheese. so this time i brought a small package of marinara. little bit of olive oil in a lightweight aluminum skillet, tortilla, marinara, salami, string mozarella, tortilla, oil. Heat, flip, heat, eat. awesome backcountry pizza to break up the ramenotony.

i hoard single serving condiments. it can do wonders for backcountry food. mayo, hot sauce, salsa, chopped onions (make sure it isnt dehydrated onions reconstituted [nasty]) relish, soy sauce, pot sticker sauce, gourmaises, marinara, ranch, bbq, etc.

i keep a pretty light pack. my last 5 day trip was 28lbs dry with a tent, sleeping bag, and our full kitchen and fishing gear. but a few condiments can make it seem like you are still eating well without spending $8 for a freeze dried dinner or carrying a ton of weight on your back.

cool trip to one of my favorite close to home lakes that is usually devoid of other people.

SHigSpeed
10-03-2011, 03:51 PM
i rarely eat MH stuff. i find most of it nasty. but the turkey tetrazini is decent.

most of my dinners are souped up top ramen or kraft mac and cheese. use easy mac so you dont have to carry powdered milk and butter/oil. adding a foil package of tuna, clams, trout, vienna sausages, wild onions, dried mushrooms, or whatever can really make a meal out of ramen or mac and still do it on the cheap and light.

this last trip i did i tried an idea i had had for a year or two. my lunches are typically tortilla, salami, and cheese. so this time i brought a small package of marinara. little bit of olive oil in a lightweight aluminum skillet, tortilla, marinara, salami, string mozarella, tortilla, oil. Heat, flip, heat, eat. awesome backcountry pizza to break up the ramenotony.

i hoard single serving condiments. it can do wonders for backcountry food. mayo, hot sauce, salsa, chopped onions (make sure it isnt dehydrated onions reconstituted [nasty]) relish, soy sauce, pot sticker sauce, gourmaises, marinara, ranch, bbq, etc.

i keep a pretty light pack. my last 5 day trip was 28lbs dry with a tent, sleeping bag, and our full kitchen and fishing gear. but a few condiments can make it seem like you are still eating well without spending $8 for a freeze dried dinner or carrying a ton of weight on your back.

cool trip to one of my favorite close to home lakes that is usually devoid of other people.

Jay,

Can you spec out your gear?

Mine:

Pack - Outdoor Products Saturn external nylon frame, 5 lb 6 oz. (kinda heavy, but it carries the weight well and I like the external for flexibility and ventilation)
Bag - Kelty Cosmic Down 20, 2lb 8 oz
Pad - ExPed UL7 Synmat, 1 lb 2 oz
Tent - Marmot EOS1, 3 lb
---------------------------------------------
Big 4 - 12 lbs

Tube, inflator bag, inflatable seat - 72 oz
Fins 13 oz
Waders 45 oz
Booties 22 oz
Jetboil and Fuel - 21 oz
Katadyn filter - 14 oz
Puffy Jacket - 22 oz (need to reduce to ~12 oz)
Compact rain jacket - 10 oz (need to reduce to ~2 oz)
Headlamp - 3 oz
Base layers - 9 oz
Glasses - 4 oz
Microfiber towel - 2 oz
Water bottle 1.5l reused - 2 oz
DEET - 2 oz
Head net - 1 oz
TP - 2 oz
Gloves, cold weather - 3 oz
Gloves, sun - 1 oz
Buff - 1 oz
Asst food - 24 oz
Water - 50 oz
------------------------------------------
20 lb 3 oz


Rod tube (cordura Cabelas) - 15 oz (need to reduce to 6 oz or less)
Reel/extra spool - 12 oz
Rod - 4 oz
Net - 10 oz
Fly Boxes - 7 oz (need to reduce to 2 oz)
Lanyard and tools (hemo, floatant, dry shake, tippet, retractor, whistle, file) - 9 oz (titanium hemos, as cool as they are, cost $600!)
-----------------------------------------
3 lb 9 oz

Total = 35 lb 12 oz

Actual was about 41 so I have 5 lbs of unaccounted for stuff or rounding errors.

I think I can shed about 5 lbs from my tube kit, and another 3 lbs from my general kit, and a pound or two from my fishing kit, so a 30 lb overnight tubing pack is in reach. Add another 8 lbs of food to make it 5 days out?

Thoughts?

_SHig

Jay
10-03-2011, 04:56 PM
I havent got to the point that I have weighed individual parts of gear, or at least havent recorded them. I never limit myself to a weight I need to reach, just adjust my pack for conditions and such. Plus I never include water in posted weights, hence the dry weight and you said you were carrying 50oz! Im usually carrying significantly less than 32. With the exception of my last trip, where I left the car with 100ozs and was out for almost an hour and a half before I could refill!

Another key thing to note is that we ( the 2 of us) have very few redundancies in our packs and share the burden of ALL of the communal stuff like tent, kitchen, food, filter, etc.

I also dont take that much food. Significantly less than the arbitrary 1.5lbs a day number. That number is misleading anyway. a pound and a half of peanut butter has probably 10X the number of calories you need in a day, lol.

One major place that I save weight is with clothing. The only thing i carry more than i would commonly wear at once is an extra pair of wool socks.

I also never take a tube to the backcountry. There are times I would like one, but never enough to haul one and its accoutrement up the hill. :D

Anyways, in summary to this rambling. I dont geek out too much about weight, I pack the things I know I will need, try to leave the things I might need at home, and carry whatever I end up with :D

Bill Kiene semi-retired
10-03-2011, 06:35 PM
You two are true "Back-country Commandos".........

Fantastic posts guys.....

Fly Guy Dave
10-03-2011, 07:45 PM
I pack the things I know I will need, try to leave the things I might need at home, and carry whatever I end up with :D

Agreed! I had a backpacking buddy that used to obsess over the tiniest bit of weight, and I thought he went a bit far at times, but I have the same approach as Jay with this and try to go light, but still not suffer the whole time.

However, I do follow a blog from a fellow angler that has spec-ed out his gear, so you might find this to be useful: http://nativetroutangler.blogspot.com/2009/07/on-lightweight-backpacking-and-fly.html

Cheers!

--F.G. Dave

SHigSpeed
10-03-2011, 08:28 PM
Agreed! I had a backpacking buddy that used to obsess over the tiniest bit of weight, and I thought he went a bit far at times, but I have the same approach as Jay with this and try to go light, but still not suffer the whole time.

However, I do follow a blog from a fellow angler that has spec-ed out his gear, so you might find this to be useful: http://nativetroutangler.blogspot.com/2009/07/on-lightweight-backpacking-and-fly.html

Cheers!

--F.G. Dave

Too funny! I've seen that before and I misplaced the link so I've been looking all over for it.

Thanks F.G.!

_SHig

wineslob
10-04-2011, 07:32 AM
Honestly, things have come a long way in the "edibility" area of backpacking food. I have tried a bunch, and true, some are still pretty vile, but most are a lot better than in the past.

I was in the Boy Scouts back in the late 1970s and we did a lot of backpacking. We often had this horrid, almost inedible glob called "Chicken a la King", which was better than starving, but not by much. We also had these pilot biscuits and cheese spread for lunch and the "cheese"...well...was orange...but it wasn't really cheese, and the biscuits could be thrown hard against a tree and not break apart...or even chip...more like a beer coaster and orange goo.

When backpacking, I take some of the other stuff you mentioned, but if you are going to have "backpacking food", Mountain House is the way to go.

--F.G. Dave

Yup, been there. This past July we went on our yearly fishing trip (backpacking) and my fising buddy's son brought up some of the "pantry" stuff, Teriyaki Chicken I think, and Mountain House Fettuchini Alfredo. Both tasted like cardboard and still can't eat it.

wineslob
10-04-2011, 07:36 AM
Jay,

Can you spec out your gear?

Mine:

Pack - Outdoor Products Saturn external nylon frame, 5 lb 6 oz. (kinda heavy, but it carries the weight well and I like the external for flexibility and ventilation)
Bag - Kelty Cosmic Down 20, 2lb 8 oz
Pad - ExPed UL7 Synmat, 1 lb 2 oz
Tent - Marmot EOS1, 3 lb
---------------------------------------------
Big 4 - 12 lbs

Tube, inflator bag, inflatable seat - 72 oz
Fins 13 oz
Waders 45 oz
Booties 22 oz
Jetboil and Fuel - 21 oz
Katadyn filter - 14 oz
Puffy Jacket - 22 oz (need to reduce to ~12 oz)
Compact rain jacket - 10 oz (need to reduce to ~2 oz)
Headlamp - 3 oz
Base layers - 9 oz
Glasses - 4 oz
Microfiber towel - 2 oz
Water bottle 1.5l reused - 2 oz
DEET - 2 oz
Head net - 1 oz
TP - 2 oz
Gloves, cold weather - 3 oz
Gloves, sun - 1 oz
Buff - 1 oz
Asst food - 24 oz
Water - 50 oz
------------------------------------------
20 lb 3 oz


Rod tube (cordura Cabelas) - 15 oz (need to reduce to 6 oz or less)
Reel/extra spool - 12 oz
Rod - 4 oz
Net - 10 oz
Fly Boxes - 7 oz (need to reduce to 2 oz)
Lanyard and tools (hemo, floatant, dry shake, tippet, retractor, whistle, file) - 9 oz (titanium hemos, as cool as they are, cost $600!)
-----------------------------------------
3 lb 9 oz

Total = 35 lb 12 oz

Actual was about 41 so I have 5 lbs of unaccounted for stuff or rounding errors.

I think I can shed about 5 lbs from my tube kit, and another 3 lbs from my general kit, and a pound or two from my fishing kit, so a 30 lb overnight tubing pack is in reach. Add another 8 lbs of food to make it 5 days out?

Thoughts?

_SHig



LOLZ, If I can pick the pack up without grunting too much, it's good. :D

GoldenStone
10-04-2011, 12:40 PM
Looks like a great trip. Great shots Shig.

fishngy
10-04-2011, 01:14 PM
Scott,
I still want to do an overnighter next summer. Working on get lighter stuff! Great info and pictures. Shig, I would like to get a copy of the pano of the lake. My wife would like to do a pastle using the picture. Thanks, Bill

SHigSpeed
10-04-2011, 01:46 PM
Scott,
I still want to do an overnighter next summer. Working on get lighter stuff! Great info and pictures. Shig, I would like to get a copy of the pano of the lake. My wife would like to do a pastle using the picture. Thanks, Bill

Here you go!

http://farm7.static.flickr.com/6004/6208042891_c0ddff331f_o_d.jpg

_SHig

jblack
10-04-2011, 07:39 PM
If I had only checked my email earlier in the week!! Hope to do the long trip next summer>:D

jburge
10-05-2011, 09:22 PM
Well, I have to admit the geek side took over and I did take the time to sit down with a scale and weigh *everything* I use for backpacking and fly-fishing. I entered it all in a spreadsheet, and I can now calculate within a couple of ounces what my back is gonna have to haul.

That said, I've put in some serious miles and some serious thought over a number of years to come up with a good combo of backpacking and fly-fishing "gear." I just recently finished a 9-day 70 mile trip in the Golden Trout Wilderness in August with a pack that weighed (at the start) 32 pounds fully loaded, with water on board (1 liter). That's actually heavy for me and I was also carrying a bear canister that weighs 2 pounds empty! I also had two fly rods, a reel, and all the fly fishing paraphernalia I needed. My typical 3 or 4-day trip is a load that's between 19 and 20 pounds. Mind you, I'm not hauling a SHig tube or SHig fins.

I'd be glad to shoot you guys my spreadsheet. But just a heads up... ultralight is not for everybody. There are luxuries I give up (no hot breakfast), but I sleep really, really, well (in a hammock) and my food is prepped by me -- a dehydrator is your friend. The other key factor is how to multi-task everything you have. For example, fleece gloves become a pot comfy to keep my food warm, rain jacket also serves as wind shell, etc. I had to go ultralight because the back certainly ain't what it used to be, I tore an ACL in one knee, and the other knee has cartilage damage.

I'd also be glad to shoot you some of my recipes. There's nothing like sitting down to pasta, marinara, and pepperoni one night or spanish rice, refried beans, and chili tortillas the next. All homemade, way cheaper than packaged stuff, and it tastes downright great.

One of the most perfect blends around is the combination of backpacking and fly-fishing. You have some great tips from everyone on this thread already. Ultimately, it comes down to what you're comfortable with. Some guys are OK with instant coffee in the morning, some with just a NoDoz tab, and others bring along their "lightweight" espresso makers. Choose for yourself.

I have to say you guys brought it home. Can't thank you enough for sharing the story and the pix. Awesome. You guys are rock stars :-)

John

SHigSpeed
10-06-2011, 06:33 AM
Well, I have to admit the geek side took over and I did take the time to sit down with a scale and weigh *everything* I use for backpacking and fly-fishing. I entered it all in a spreadsheet, and I can now calculate within a couple of ounces what my back is gonna have to haul.

That said, I've put in some serious miles and some serious thought over a number of years to come up with a good combo of backpacking and fly-fishing "gear." I just recently finished a 9-day 70 mile trip in the Golden Trout Wilderness in August with a pack that weighed (at the start) 32 pounds fully loaded, with water on board (1 liter). That's actually heavy for me and I was also carrying a bear canister that weighs 2 pounds empty! I also had two fly rods, a reel, and all the fly fishing paraphernalia I needed. My typical 3 or 4-day trip is a load that's between 19 and 20 pounds. Mind you, I'm not hauling a SHig tube or SHig fins.

I'd be glad to shoot you guys my spreadsheet. But just a heads up... ultralight is not for everybody. There are luxuries I give up (no hot breakfast), but I sleep really, really, well (in a hammock) and my food is prepped by me -- a dehydrator is your friend. The other key factor is how to multi-task everything you have. For example, fleece gloves become a pot comfy to keep my food warm, rain jacket also serves as wind shell, etc. I had to go ultralight because the back certainly ain't what it used to be, I tore an ACL in one knee, and the other knee has cartilage damage.

I'd also be glad to shoot you some of my recipes. There's nothing like sitting down to pasta, marinara, and pepperoni one night or spanish rice, refried beans, and chili tortillas the next. All homemade, way cheaper than packaged stuff, and it tastes downright great.

One of the most perfect blends around is the combination of backpacking and fly-fishing. You have some great tips from everyone on this thread already. Ultimately, it comes down to what you're comfortable with. Some guys are OK with instant coffee in the morning, some with just a NoDoz tab, and others bring along their "lightweight" espresso makers. Choose for yourself.

I have to say you guys brought it home. Can't thank you enough for sharing the story and the pix. Awesome. You guys are rock stars :-)

John

Wow, 32 lbs for 9 days! That's awesome! I would love to geek out over your spreadsheet. Email to shigspeed at yahoo dot com would be great!

I'm adjust getting started in this whole backpacking thing so it'll be a while until I whittle down the pack but I have a roadmap that I'm working on. I'm planning s Seki trip for next year so I have some time to get down. I HOPE to take my tube, but we'll see...

Thanks for the input, love it!

_SHig

jburge
10-07-2011, 05:13 PM
Email to shigspeed

Will do! I'll make sure the list contains absolutely *everything* and will get it to you sometime tomorrow afternoon.

And hey, in my mind it's never too early to start planning for the next trip :-)

John