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Cal
01-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Looks like many people are interested in the idea of a Spey Clave in Northern California, to aid in the discussion of all the issues involved in such an undertaking I have numbered the items below.

1. Name: We need a name, American River Spey Clave seems simple enough and reasonable, any other suggestions ?

2. Date: End of June seems to work for everyone contacted so far, Bob Meiser is going to be in Japan first 10 days or so of June, so if we want to partake of his legendary beer basted brats we have to keep this in mind. It will probably be held on a Friday & Saturday, Sunday could be made available for those who want to teach longer classes/clinics. Any reason the 3rd or 4th weekend in June is better ?

3. Location: Somewhere on the American would be good, I am not local to Sacramento and not completely familiar with all the parks on the American, so we need some of you local guys to decide on a place and contact the Park authorities about setting aside space for us. Having access to both river right and river left would be a great asset. Seems like Sunrise might be a good place although when flows are low you can wade across Watt Ave to the island to cast river right. But it seems we never really know what the local water managers are going to do, if they send a big slug of water to the central valley farmers we may not be able to cross at Watt. We need a long enough gravel bar to accommodate all the guys who want to cast rods and still have room for those who want to watch demonstrations.

4. Purpose: The purpose will be to host a FREE event and give people the greatest opportunity possible to cast rods and lines in a venue that most approximates a fishing experience, moving water. Attendees should have the opportunity to interact as closely as possible with the rod builders, demonstrators, and guides, etc., on a personal and informal basis.

One of the complaints I have heard about other Spey Claves is that they can become more about casting demonstrations and personalities and then attendees do not have ample opportunity to cast the rods and lines they want.

5. Website: There will be a website.

6. Mission Statement: It has been suggested that we develop a Mission Statement for the event, any assistance will be greatly appreciated. Essentially, this should reflect the purpose, which is discussed above.

7. Current Roster of Attendees: Gary is in, Kerry is in, Bob is in, Beulah is in, Rajeff Sports is interested and will probably attend. Thanks for all the valuable advice you guys have provided.

Bob Meiser wants to cook his legendary beer-basted Brats for lunch on Saturday.

Kerry Burkheimer said that some of his Pro Staff, Brian Styskal, and Whitney Gould, would be interested in giving demonstrations and conducting paid classes but that they would try to keep the price low.

The event should be open to everyone interested in attending, so think of which other rod companies, line manufacturers, guides, instructors, company reps you might like to see and please contact them. Sage and TFO come to mind but I do not have contact info.

8. Schedule of Events (potential): It has been suggested that the event run for 2 days, a Friday and Saturday starting around 9am and going until 4 pm. There should be at least an hour or two of just product testing before demonstrations begin at about 10 or 11 am and running until 2 pm. Any demonstrations aimed at new comers to Spey casting should be first up and demonstrations of more advanced concepts should be after lunch. Each demonstration should be allotted 20 minutes with 10 minutes for questions to allow for a good number of demonstrations. Those instructors wanting to teach formal classes might schedule them for Sunday. It might be good to have at least one class a day free for beginners with some personal attention provided by our local spey enthusiasts.

9. Volunteers: Anyone interested in assisting with planning or running the event please PM me and list your email address. We will probably develop an email list through a website later to keep everyone updated.

Thanks to everyone who has made suggestions and offered to help. I look forward to seeing your comments on all aspects of this event.

Thank you Bill Kiene for hosting a fantastic message board and allowing us the opportunity to explore ideas such as hosting our own local Spey Clave.

Rick J
01-28-2010, 01:14 PM
I would pick a site that gives the most casting space and if at all possible access to both sides of the river. Watt is nice but it does not have all that much room for a bunch of folks to all spread out - the bridge kinda limits you upstream

Jasonh
01-28-2010, 02:30 PM
Hi Brian,

Sorry to jump into this so late but would be glad to help from the Kiene's side of things. I think it would be important to have as many manufacturers as possible and get a good line up of demos. From a local standpoint we can have Jeff Putnam and Bill Lowe do demos along with some other top names such as Brian Styskal and Whitney Gould.

I think the best place for this would near the lower walking bridge at sunrise giving us enough space for people to demo, cast , and set up booths/tarps. Not to mention we can utilize both sides of the rivers.

I will be in the shop friday through monday and feel free to call and we can discuss of the details.

Charlie Gonzales
01-28-2010, 08:15 PM
Jason is right about the walk bridge at Sunrise. It would give at least a hundred yards of gravel bar on each side of the river, up and down stream, probably the two safest parking lots, and lots of shaded pic-nic tables.

I would be happy to make pulled pork sanwiches on friday, also.

Pez
01-28-2010, 08:18 PM
Jason, the lower bridge at sunrise isn't it where the rafts put in? If it is I think it could be pretty busy to demo the rods. On the other hand the parking lot would be perfect for the tents. Just a thought!!.

Jasonh
01-29-2010, 12:37 AM
Pez,

Good point. Didn't think about it being in June. Part of the reason I think we should shoot for a different date. The American is a gong show any day of the week in the summer no matter what part of the river we go. I think sometime in March or April would be good.

JH

Fats
01-29-2010, 07:43 AM
I've helped put together mission statements and the like... I think I'd be willing to help.

burl51
01-29-2010, 08:44 AM
I think April or early May is good. It can also be damm hot in June

my 2 cents

Burl

I will help if needed

trinity
01-29-2010, 11:05 AM
The rafters will be out in full force, and they will be in full party mode. I am having fun imagining speycasting with a bunch a half naked drunks floating down the river, spraying Bob Meiser and Kerry Burkheimer with super soakers:)

Jeff Putnam
01-29-2010, 03:39 PM
Thats gonna be a fun water fight! The intoxicated rafters vs the spey casters, there will be scotch, right? Cant spey without scotch.
The Sandy River Spey Clave (largest in the US) is held at a venue (Oxbow Park, Sandy River, OR) that is similar to Riverbend (Geothe), except the water is too deep on the Sandy to wade out far enough to simulate river-right. Riverbend allows you to wade out far enough to simulate both sides. One concern is the raft takeout however, it is far enough upriver (1/4 mile?) to not interfere. There will be a few rafters drifting through and taking out at Harrington, downriver but that is where the scotch comes in... we'll be prepared by being on an equally inebriated level. Its on! (kidding about the scotch....not really).
Riverbend does provide plenty of shade for the vendors. Its about 100 yards (west end of the park) to the water making it convenient to try out rods and watch presentations.
The park will have to be reserved as it is a very popular weekend hangout. It would be nice to get there early the day of the clave and rope off the west corner of the park under the trees. We might have to hire a parking patrolman to watch the vehicles!....I might be available that day... I'll check my schedule and get a uniform. Just some ideas...jp

Cal
01-30-2010, 01:08 AM
I agree that competing with the inebriated rubber boat hatch in June might not be the best idea. It would be nice to have the Clave after the Spey-o-rama since it would give us a good venue to promote our event. I am a member of GGACC so I can spend a good amount of time promoting, giving out fliers, setting up an info table etc. at the o-rama.


Dates kindly provided by Don Powell:
April 9, 10, 11 Spey O Rama
April 17 Kiene's Annual Expo
April 24 Trout season opener
May 1, 2 Dec Hogan classes at Kiene's
May 8, 9 Open?
May 14, 15 16 Sandy River Spey Clave
May 21 Bass-N-Fly Challenge

Seems like the only window of opportunity for April & May is the 8th & 9th of May. Seems to be a fair amount of sentiment against the Fall. Anyone for March ? I will have to call the guys and see about their availabilty.

Can we say that there is a consensus for Sunrise if we avoid the rubber boat hatch ?

Insurance is an issue I am investigating. Any agents out there ? All the rod builders, guides, etc. have their own personal liability insurance but we need to find a way to insure all the organizers and volunteers who are not professionals.

Thanks again to everyone offering to help, information and opinions. I do not think we will lack for volunteers.

Pez
01-30-2010, 02:15 PM
Personally, I"m for having the clave on the fall. Most Spey guys think of spey when fishing for steelhead. I think october would be a great month. We wouldn't have to fight the rafters and the weather would also be nicer. The rafts launch by sunrise and get off the water at Goethe Park restricting us from the best locations. April is a good month too weatherwise and we may only have to deal with a few rafters.

Rick J
01-31-2010, 01:03 PM
How about 2 days over memorial weekend - this would give more folks an opportunity to come up with a day for travel?

Don Powell
01-31-2010, 05:19 PM
I like the idea of time-wise giving folks who are going to travel to participate an extra day but have a concern...

Based on past experience, I avoid going to the American River on Memorial Day, Fourth of July and Labor Day weekends. Large crowds of Sacramentans go to the river for a wide variety of recreational opportunities on the warm weather holidays. Adequate parking and reservation of the chosen site might be real issues...

I am very excited about this American River Spey Clave happening but it is really going to require planning!

acrods
01-31-2010, 06:19 PM
I will be having my spey clave on Sat. Sept. 18 at Tou Velle state park. This is the week end before Poppy's spey clave. Jeff Putnam will be up a few days before and after the clave for our spey school.
All Good Things,
Gary Anderson

Bob Meiser
04-13-2010, 06:39 AM
Hi Folks,

Is there a confirmed date for this proposed event ... Very much looking forward to the possibility of an open format two handed river gathering in Nor-Kali.

Bob Meiser

Bill Kiene semi-retired
04-13-2010, 08:22 AM
I think the fall would be good.

Someone said to actually work it out with the manufacturers who would be the most important group to be able to come to this event.

If we think the fall would work we could start a list of events that happen then:

Fly Tackle Dealer Show - Denver
Gary Anderson's Fall Rogue River event
Labor Day
Etc.......


Maybe we need to make a list of all the companies who are involved in the two-handed world and contact them for dates that are open?:

Anderson Custom Rods
Beulah
Bob Meiser
CND
Cortland
CF Burkheimer
Galvin Reels
GuideLine
Hardy
Loomis
Orvis
Rajeff Sports (Echo/Airflo)
Redington
Rio
Ross Reels
Sage
SA/3M
Scott
TFO
Winston

**Just a start...........

Don Powell
04-14-2010, 08:29 PM
Gary Anderson's Two Handers at Touvelle- September 18
Poppy's Clearwater Spey Clave- September 25
Denver Fly Tackle Dealer Show- ?
Every Spey Fisherman I know goes fishing- October 1-31 ha, ha, but true!
November 1-30- Delta stripers, short days, unpredictable weather...

The above is in part factual, in part mythical...please, others chime in so we can bring this idea to reality...

I favor a spring date- everyone is enthusiastic after a long, cold winter; some fish in March and April; Spey O Rama is usually in April, Kiene's Expo is the weekend before the trout opener, the last Saturday in April; Sandy River Spey Clave is usually in May; we realistically have to consider the impact of river rafters as soon as the weather gets warm usually in May on the American...

Should we just throw a dart at the calendar or consult a mystical advisor?

nrthcsteel
04-14-2010, 10:10 PM
Im with the spring early summer date. Maybe latish may early june. I mean once July rolls around my thoughts are gonna start turning to steelhead...... more than they normally do I should say... So its either we miss some steelheading opportunities or we deal with rafters. Im sure if they see a bunch of people flinging out lines they are more than likely to give us a wide birth.. AND drunken rafters could be a good bit of comedy actually ... AND MOST OF ALL some of those rafters may be of the bikini clad female type and I certainly dont mind holding a cast or two to watch them float by.... I know of many a grabless cold wet day of winter steelheading where if a bikini clad female came floating by .... and someone asked me if I got skunked..... Id probably say "WELL ..... sort of" And who knows maybe one of us will get a gra.... Aw never mind that probably isnt gonna sound right.... back to thinking about steelheading..... Kevin

Rick J
04-15-2010, 06:37 AM
if we can put up with teh crowds I would again suggest Memorial Weekend - not sure how many folks are actually floating the river in tubes that early but then I have never been there over this weekend - if not then I also would push for late May early June - maybe weekend after the Sandy Clave - not sure when that is? might be memorial?

Don Powell
04-15-2010, 08:14 AM
This year it is going to be May 14,15 and 16...