Dry fly swap!!

[Bob Scheidt]

Here we go, swapmeister Bob here.
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You guys, you guys, you guys. I guess I'm the swampmeister or swampmonster, that will be decided later. Anyway I am gonna host this thing. First time, never done it before, so if I botch it up, hey where's the love?

Correct me if I'm wrong as I often am,

1. Sierra dry fly swap, fly picked from the post on the Trout and Stream section of this very board, the post about favorite ten dries for our Sierra's

2. Limit to 15 tyers? or if that's not good, what # is? I like 15 if we can get that many.

3. Flies sent to me in Fresno by April 8th.

4. Name your fly and who tied it with your flies.

5. Include some kind of return postage so I can ship your wonderful selection your about to receive.

6. Flies will be distributed at Kiene's expo on april 18th, that's a Saturday. If you can't make the Expo, see #5 above.

7. Tell me if you want them mailed or you will pick them up at the fly shop on expo day. Include this info with your flies.

8. So sign up and tie the same fly so everyone including yourself get one of your creations.

So, WHO is in?? Sign up and state your fly!

Bob

Signups.

1. Bob Scheidt, someting really neat, so in other words, I don't know yet. TBD

[Garrett S]

I will be tying an Elk Hair Caddis in size 12, this ussually works on the South Fork of the American River

[Hairstacker]

I'm in with a Parachute Adams!! Thanks for hosting Bob! :lol:

[Ed Wahl]

Bob you ole softie, I knew you'd do it.:D Thanks bud.

I'm in with the E/C Caddis.

Ed

[Scott V]

I'll do what I call a "Dry Bob" it is a great little dry fly taught to me by a guy named Bob. It is much better than the stimulators I attempt to tie.

It is a different Bob then Bob Scheidt.

[SHigSpeed]

Still down for a foam black ant.

_SHig

[jburge]

I'm in with stimulators (Charlie Craven version). And if someone else wants to snag the stimulators, I'll do mosquitos.

[Rich Leonetti]

I will do the griffiths gnat

[Flycanoe]

I'm in and will tie a foam beetle.

[SHigSpeed]

Are we sticking to the "top ten" list or are we opening up to other dries?

_SHig

[Bob Scheidt]

Any fly listed in the post, doesn't have to be top ten. pick something you enjoy tying.

Thanks for the great response.

Bob

[jblack]

I am in-- If there is still room. I will tie the Agent 99. A variation of cutter's e/c caddis . Jarrett

[Hairstacker]

Cool, we seem to be getting there. :D

Looks to me like there's still 5 more slots open for anyone who wants to get in on this. :unibrow:

[SHigSpeed]

Oooh, Barbara Feldon! :)

http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w43/minders1960/entertainment/agent99.jpg?t=1236031194

But I'm not sure what trout would hit that? (Though some old Get Smart fans may!)

_SHig

p.s. What's the origin of that name Jarrett?

[davkrat]

I've got some Kratville Caddis all ready to go:

http://www.kratvillephoto.com/sitebuilder/images/-8938-600x399.jpg

[jblack]

Scott --I think it is a reference to Get Smart. I got it in a swap a few years ago and it has become a go to pattern for caddis before and near dark. I will show you next time you're over. I might even let you have one. Swap tie night next week?


http://flytyingworld.com/PagesT/thomasduncan.htm#Agent%2099%20Caddis

BTW --This is close to the e/c caddis which I see now some one else is tying. If you guys want I can tie another pattern like a weir's whopper or some thing else

[jim p]

If there is room for a newby i'd like to join with a parachute mosquito.

Jp

[Hairstacker]

Jp, you are most welcome, glad you signed up!

[Bob Scheidt]

Absolutely Jim P, you're in. Parachute Mosquito it is!

Thanks,
Bob

[Bob Scheidt]

This is the list I have so far. Maybe we can get 15 tyers. Good job gang!!

1. Hairstacker parachute adams
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant
3. Jburge stimulator
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis
5. Shigspeed black foam ant
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat
10. Fly caanoe foam beetle
11. Jblack agent 99
12. Jim P parachute mosquito

[jim p]

Great, thanks for the include. Looking forward to swaping some flies.

[Xnjb707X]

If there is still room for the fly swap im down. Just let me know.

- Nic

[Bob Scheidt]

You're in Nic! Please let us know what fly you want to tie, once you decide.

Thanks alot,
Bob Scheidt

[David Lee]

Bob has asked me to join , to my absolute horror .

If it's OK w/ everyone ...... I'll do a Foam Madam X , Yellow , size 8 . I know it isn't on the Sierra list , but it's about the only dry I can do passably ..... since I don't tie/fish/use Dry Flies !

I'll try not to let everyone down .

David

[Hairstacker]

Right on David! :D

Well, looks like there's still 1 more slot left to bring us up to a full complement of 15 tyers. :cool:

[Cal]

I will do a hen wing PMD dun. Always fools those finicky ones.

[Bob Scheidt]

Thanks to everyone. We have our 15 tyers. Good going troops!

I will post the 15 names and your fly of choice, hopefully tonight.

Thanks,
Bob

[Bob Scheidt]

Here are the 15 tyers in the swap.
Please send them to me in Fresno by April 8. I will PM each of you with my address.
If you don't want to pick them up at Kiene's expo on April 18th, then include return postage so you get your prize of the others flies. Let me know when you send your flies if you want to get them at the expo or if you want them mailed to you.

1. Hairstacker parachute adams
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant
3. Jburge stimulator
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis
5. Shigspeed black foam ant
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat
10. Fly caanoe foam beetle
11. Jblack agent 99
12. Jim P parachute mosquito
13. Jim P. parachute mosquito
14. Nic flashy stimulator
15. Cal hen wing pmd

Hope to see each of you at Kiene's expo next month!! It's always fun.

Bob

[jim p]

Did we miss somebody or am I tying a couple of sets, or even worse, is my evil twin running around? (I believe I was listed twice, #12 & #13)

If that evil twin guy is running around he should tie up some trudes for the swap.

In other words, I'll be happy too tie up a set of trudes if needed to fill out the swap.

[Hairstacker]

Looks like the list excluded David Lee, who's tying the Madame X.

[Bob Scheidt]

This is the correct list, Sorry Jim P, you're just popular

1. Hairstacker parachute adams
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant
3. Jburge stimulator
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis
5. Shigspeed black foam ant
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat
10. Fly caanoe foam beetle
11. Jblack agent 99
12. Jim P parachute mosquito
13. David Lee foam madam x
14. Nic flashy stimulator
15. Cal hen wing pmd

Looks like were in for some cool flies in time for trout opener.

Thanks,
Bob

[Ed Wahl]

I've never done a dry fly swap. What's the best way to package them?
Ed

[jburge]

For those who want to, I think it's cool to submit your recipe and photo, so here goes my stimulator:

http://bdigitaldesign.com/flies/stimulator.jpg

I'm still a beginner, so any feedback from you seasoned pros is more than welcome.

Hook: Tiemco 2312 (size 12)
Thread: Fluorescent orange
Tail: Elk hair
Rib: Copper wire (fine)
Abdomen: Golden Stone Antron dubbing
Body hackle: Brown rooster neck hackle
Wing: Elk hair
Thorax hackle: Grizzly rooster neck hackle
Thorax: Nature's Spirit orange dubbing

It's tied Charlie Craven style with a little egg sac on the rear.

And Ed, I'm going to send mine in one of the little Plano compartment boxes you can pick up from Walmart for less than $2.

[davkrat]

Here is the tying instructions for the Kratville Caddis: http://www.flyanglersonline.com/flytying/fotw2/022706fotw.php I now use the Tiemco 2488 instead of the 2302. The 2302 still works good on the larger Stone/Hopper size flies. I leave out the white underwing on the smallest patterns and use 2mm foam for both the body and wing. Shortly after writing this post for FAOL I came across John Barrs Dropper Hopper and realised my "new" technique had already been done :)

http://www.kratvillephoto.com/images/_M1W4348s.jpg

[Hairstacker]

jburge, davkrat -- Great-looking flies fellas! I'd fish any of those with complete confidence.:D

[Bob Scheidt]

Davkrat, your new technique is just as new as John Barr's. I have often thought that if 2 people from different places come up with the same new idea, both are the originators since neither copied from anything and both can claim originality. If anything, John Barr saw yours and realized his new technique had been done before.

I did a lady bug and a short time later I saw Rainy Riding had a very close fly. Someone said, "Did you get the idea from Rainy's flies? and I said no, they copied me."

[jburge]

Bob, stimulators were sent yesterday. Check your PM.

John

[Bob Scheidt]

Got em John! Lots of pride there, the gang will be very happy!

Bob

[Xnjb707X]

Mine will also be on the way just got to knock out a few tommorrow then ill send em out.


- Nic

[SHigSpeed]

Argh! Get the Raid! :)

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/P1050595.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/P1050593.jpg

They'll be crawling your way today.

_SHig

[Scott V]

Too darn funny Shig. Sierra trout food, one of my favorites.

[Rich Leonetti]

Hopefully I'm not the last one...! I will pick mine up at the Kiene's Expo...

[Ed Wahl]

I'm just now tying mine. Should have them in the mail tomorrow or the next day.

Shig, I love those ants. Can you post a recipe?

Ed

[Scott V]

I should have mine in the mail by end of week. And will pick mine up at the show.

[Ed Wahl]

Oh yeah, Bob, I'll pick mine up at the shop also. Ed

[Bob Scheidt]

So far I have flies from J Burge and Shigspeed.

I have tied a total of zero, so I thinks me needs to get it in gear one of these days.

I have been dyeing alot of marabou lately. That's my latest tying tangent.

Shig does something pretty neat with those ant legs, perhaps he will tell us.

Mail them to me by April 6 or so and we should be fine.

Bob

[davkrat]

OT... What do you use to dye feathers? I have tons of Mallard flank feathers taht I am trying to incorporate more. I would like to dye them but don't know what to use. Is it called RIT that you can get at craft stores? Does that work?
Thanks

[Garrett S]

I will pick mine up at the show, i don't even have the materials yet!

[David Lee]

I really need to apologize to you guys -

As I mentioned before .... I am the world's WORST dry fly tyer . My attempts at the Madam X have turned out like crap , so I'm switching to Andy Burk's Damsel Dry (so you will have something at least fishable) . Half-way thru and they look OK .....

They are Olive , size #10 . A bit on the large side for the mountains , but I think they will fish .

I hope I'm forgiven !!!

David

[Hairstacker]

My attempts at the Madam X have turned out like crap

Translation: Better than most but not good enough for David. :lol:

Personally, I also like the idea of a "Damsel Dry" . . . I think it would have possibilities for wider application. :idea: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[jim p]

I'm almost done as well. Probably finish them up tonight and get them in the mail by the end of the week.

[SHigSpeed]

By popular demand, here's how I tied my black ant pattern:

1: Hooks, thread, foam:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050614.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050615.jpg

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050611.jpg

2: Round off the end of the strip of foam:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050613.jpg

3: Dress the length of the shank of the hook with thread and wind back to here:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050618.jpg

Now for the legs. I found this stuff at work so I don't know where you might find it. I've heard that synthetic paintbrush bristles work as well, but I couldn't find any that worked as well. This stuff is nylon (I think) wire loom sheath - like a Chinese finger torture tube:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050616.jpg

4: Cut four pieces of your leg material, long is okay as you'll be trimming later.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050617.jpg

5: Wrap the four pieces to the shank (I wrap to the top of the hook, though I don't know if it makes a difference) like so:

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050621.jpg

6: Now wrap back a few more turns and then attach the foam to the hook. Start with loose turns first then tighter. Be careful not to let the foam pull around the hook and don't go so tight as to cut the foam!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050622.jpg

7: Do the same for the middle segment of body and the head. Whip finish, and head cement. I like doing not only the head but the underside of the fly as well.

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050624.jpg

8: Now take your tweezers and bend the antennae and legs. Depending on the material, you may need to use a hot razor blade or knife to make your legs "set" in whatever bend you put in it. This material takes a set kinda like wire with no heat.

You're done!

http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t177/shigspeed/Fishing/Flies/Tying/P1050625.jpg

_SHig

[Hairstacker]

SHig, thanks for posting that sequence -- now we all just have to figure out where to get that elusive leg material. :lol:

Well, this has been a fun swap so far. I haven't tied parachute dries in so long I darn near forgot how to tie them. :lol: It's been fun to tie them again and it's been good practice, which is partly what I always hope to get out of participating in these swaps. A few more and I should be good to go. :D

[Bob Scheidt]

Ok troops, here is a list of flies received so far. I hope to tie mine tomorrow.

1. J burge
2. Shigspeed
3. Ed Wahl
4. Old trout belly
5. Fly canoe

So far, so good, like to have them mailed to me by April 8th.
You guys are the best!

Got skunked at my favorite bluegill pond today. Tough times for poor Fresno Bob.
Bob

[Scott V]

Just finished mine up, they will be in the mail tomorrow. I tied my Dry Bob on a size 14. They are as light as air, and they are killers in the sierra.

[Phil Synhorst]

SHig, those Ants are awesome!!:thumbsup:

[jim p]

Flies are done. They are tagged and will be on their journey across Fresno in the morning. I may pick them up at the show on the 18th. I enclosed a return envelope with postage just in case I can’t make it.

Thanks for Hosting Bob, looking forward to seeing everyone’s ties.

[jblack]

I sent mine off yesterday.

[Bob Scheidt]

So far I have flies from the following.

1. J burge
2. Shigspeed
3. Ed Wahl
4. Old trout belly
5. Fly canoe
6. J Black
7. Jim P.

Try to mail them sometime next week and we should be in good shape!

I'm going to the B52's concert tonight!! I'm not a music guy, but I love the B52's.

I'm gonna be a Rock Lobster and go Love Shackin.

Bob

[Scott V]

My flies went out with yesterdays mail.

I am jealous, I love the B-52's. I saw them in Tahoe a year or so ago and sat on the stage til they came out. It is a great show, be ready to do alot of dancing.

[jim p]

The B-52s are great. Here is a link to a youtube video of them playing Rock Lobster at a club in Alanta many years ago (1978 )8). This is the best video of this song out there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnU3WoQZHJE

I love this vid

[Bob Scheidt]

How is everybody doing? Happy Friday.
Here's the latest on flies I have received.

1. Hairstacker parachute adams
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant received
3. Jburge stimulator received
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis received
5. Shigspeed black foam ant received
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob received
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis received
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat received
10. Fly canoe foam beetle received
11. Jblack agent 99 received
12. David Lee
13. Jim P. parachute mosquito received
14. Nic flashy stimulator
15. Cal hen wing pmd

The B-52's were awesome!
Bob

[David Lee]

Mine were mailed this afternoon Bob .

Thanks for Hosting !!

David

[Bob Scheidt]

Got 3 more today, so here is the latest list.

1. Hairstacker parachute adams received
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant received
3. Jburge stimulator received
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis received
5. Shigspeed black foam ant received
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob received
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis received
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat received
10. Fly canoe foam beetle received
11. Jblack agent 99 received
12. David Lee received
13. Jim P. parachute mosquito received
14. Nic flashy stimulator
15. Cal hen wing pmd received

Thanks,
Bob

And by the way, you guys are darned good at this tying thing. Really good!!

[Bob Scheidt]

Hey guys: Guppy had to drop out, son once Nics flies are in, I will distribute them.

1. Hairstacker parachute adams received
2. Bob Scheidt black flying ant received
3. Jburge stimulator received
4. Davkrat kratvill caddis received
5. Shigspeed black foam ant received
6. Guppy elk hair caddis
7. Scott V dry bob received
8. Ed Wahl e/c caddis received
9. Old troutbelly griffith gnat received
10. Fly canoe foam beetle received
11. Jblack agent 99 received
12. David Lee received
13. Jim P. parachute mosquito received
14. Nic flashy stimulator
15. Cal hen wing pmd received

Thanks,

Bob

[SHigSpeed]

Too bad about Guppy... I say Bob should keep the spare set, what say you all?

_SHig

[Ed Wahl]

Definitely.

Ed

[jim p]

Bob should keep the spare set, what say you all?

absolutely

[jburge]

Right on...

[David Lee]

I say Bob should keep the spare set, what say you all?

_SHig

Sounds like the right thing !!

David

[jblack]

I agree with all--keep the extra set

[Hairstacker]

Yes, indeed, I'm for Bob keeping the extra set as well.

[Scott V]

It is the right thing to do, enjoy Bob.

[Bob Scheidt]

Nic, sent you a PM.

Off to do a little float tubing for some crappie and bass this Sat. morning.

Bob

[Bob Scheidt]

Well, everybody is in, As soon as I can divy them up I'll mail em out. For those of you at Kiene's this Sat. I will give them to you then. Please do introduce yourself this year. I would like to meet all of you! Come by and give me an opinion of the marabou I have been dyeing.

Thanks,
Bob Scheidt

[David Lee]

Off to do a little float tubing for some crappie and bass this Sat. morning.



Wha' .......??? No report ?!?

C'mon , Bob ..... spill it .

David

[Bob Scheidt]

OK David: Here goes an honest report.

When I have had the kind of spring as far as catchin goes, it is easy to forget. I swear I caught alot more before I learned how to fish. Anyway, didn't see or touch a fish. Fish finder worked very well though. Didn't flake out on me.

I thought the fishin would be tough and it was. See ya Saturday, diet pepsi in hand.

Get em next time!!

Bob

[Bob Scheidt]

Flies got mailed out today. I did not keep the extra set. You guys tied them so I sent the extra one with your set back to you. Thanks for your generosity!

Following is the list of who got mailed today.

1. Hairstacker
2. J Burge
3. fly canoe
4. J Black
5. Jim P.
6. Nic
7. Cal

Following is the list of guys who will be getting theirs tomorrow at the expo.

1. David Lee
2. Davekrat
3. Shigspeed
4. Scott V.
5. Ed Wahl
6. Old trout belly

Thanks to all! see ya tomorrow-

Bob

[Hairstacker]

Thanks much for being a good sport and hosting Bob! :lol: It's kind of like jury duty, now you have a free pass not to host for a while. :lol: Speaking of which, who's up next? :D

[SHigSpeed]

BTW, I'll be bringing ant leg material for all swappers at the shop tomorrow. Probably will be there a couple of hours in the morning.

Anyone want to split a neck? Need some brown and black, light dun...

Seeya!

_SHig

[Hairstacker]

Got my swap flies today!! \\:D/

Must say, a swap of top trout flies was a good idea because that's exactly what we ended up with here -- a go-to box of trout dry flies!

Impressive display of tying too. . . I think you fellas are really going to like these. :)

[Flycanoe]

Got my flies in the mail today and wow, very nice ties everyone. Thank you Bob for hosting. Can't wait to try them.

[Scott V]

These are some really nice flie that will be put to the test once some snow has melted. Thanks to all that made this another great swap.

[SHigSpeed]

Agreed, lots of nice bugs!

I left a bag of ant leg materials with Bob so if you didn't pick some up at the expo, maybe you can arrange to pick them up or something.

_SHig

[Bob Scheidt]

After some of you guys came by, Shig dropped off a bag of the material he uses for those awesome ants. Honest, I'm not holdin out on you. A section will tie a whole bunch of ants.

If you want a piece, send me a self adressed return envelope and I will send you a section.

A single stamp will get it back to you. This stuff folds flat, so any envelope will do.

Good to put a face with a name yesterday at the expo, thanks for stopping by.

Good fly swap guys!!

Bob

[Rich Leonetti]

Bob,

Thanks again for running the swap...if I hadn't been heading off to fish I probably would have hung out and bs'd a little more. Anyway great job on the swap and as for your idea "we should do this more often" I agree count me in....

[jim p]

:) Got my swap flies today. Great looking flies, thanks for letting me join in. I can see them getting a try on Sunday. I'll be out of town on the opener.

Bob, thanks for hosting. Now there needs to a top ten nymph swap.

Jim

[jburge]

Got my flies in yesterday's mail. Awesome ties, you guys. There's some real talent around here. Thanks! I love these bugs.

John

[Hairstacker]

:) Now there needs to a top ten nymph swap.

Jim

Great idea! To help this along, I started a thread in the "Trout" section of this board to identify those nymphs. :D

[Xnjb707X]

If we are gonna do a nymph swap, count me in!


- Nic