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Rick J
02-22-2009, 12:43 PM
Probably the original reason the short skagits started being manufactured was to allow spey casting with single handers and switch rods. But with recent playing around by the three skagiteers, Ed, Scott and Mike as well as others, the original skagit formula of 3 to 3.5 times rod length has changed significantly. The 3.5 is still a good upper limit but the lower limit has dropped alot and in a recent post by Ed on the Spey Pages, he now considers a lower limit down around 2 times rod length. This then allows one to use the short skagits on longer two handed rods.

What does this gain you besides ease of casting a shorter line (though even more stripping)? It allows using even lighter rods to target you species. The thing that more easily allows one to turn over heavy sink tips such as T-14 and now T-17 as well as heavy flies is not overall grain weight of the line but grain weight per foot.

Looking at the original skagit lines, two typical good winter lines would be the 550 for typical casting (probably requiring a standard two handed 7 wt rod) and maybe the 650 for even heavier stuff (maybe an 8 wt or even a 9 wt two hander).

Compare these lines with the short skagits. The 550 is around 20 grains/ft and the 650 is around 24 grains/ft.

The short skagit 425 is around 21 grains/ft and the 475 short is around 24 grains/ft. You can pretty easily cast the 425 on a 5 wt and the 475 on a 6 wt allowing you to pretty much cast the same tips and flies on a rod that is 2 weights less than what you could accomplish with a standard skgit setup.

PS - this weekend I was fishing with Bruce and he set up his 6126 with the 475 short and it rocked!!

As an aside, I spent alot of time playing with the on-shoulder cack handed double spey that Mike showed a couple of weeks ago (for river left) as well as an on shoulder standard double spey for river right and this hands down is the easiest spey cast I have ever found requiring almost no effort. For those who have not seen the video clip I took of Mike, I am posting here again You owe it to yourself to try this cast - it is really amazing how little effort is needed!!

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Grampa Spey
02-22-2009, 05:50 PM
Good stuff, Rick.

Is Rio, SA or ? coming out with an assortment of short Skagit heads? I may need a TARP loan to pay for all my Skagit long lines.

Get picture. I need to go to an Army/Navy surplus store to get a Kevlar helmet and Jacket to try that cast.

Bill Kiene semi-retired
02-22-2009, 07:06 PM
"more grains per foot"............I think you got it Rick.

Makes good sense.

Bill Kiene semi-retired
02-22-2009, 10:18 PM
SA has their 'Spey Skagit Singlehand' head that comes in 280 to 400 grains in 40 grain increments. The heads range from 22 to 23 feet. $53.95. You need a running line too.

Rio has their new 'Skagit Short' with integrated running line that comes in 275 to 475 grains in 50 grain increments. The heads are all 20 feet $99.95.

Airflo has their new 'Skagit Compact' heads which come in 360 to 720 grains in 30 grain increments and heads range from 22.5 to 28.5 feet for $48.99. You need a running line too.

We have all these lines in stock at Kiene's.......

PS: Mike McCune makes up special set of sinktips for himself for these ultra short heads that are about 10 feet long.

Jasonh
02-23-2009, 09:49 AM
Hi Rick,

This is some great info on the Rio Skagit Shorts you have here. It is no wonder these lines can handle heavier tips and large flies like 550 and 650 skagits.

Jason Hartwick

Anne Vitale
02-23-2009, 10:17 AM
Bill....You mentioned that Mike McCune makes up "special" sinktips for himself. I thought we all did...just a 5, 10 or 15 foot of T-14 (or T-11) with braided loops on the ends. If he is doing something different, I would appreciate knowing more about it.........Anne

Bill Kiene semi-retired
02-23-2009, 11:49 PM
Mike says that he makes up a 10' floater and various other 10' sinking tips for the ultra short (20' head) Skagit lines to balance it all out.

He said her has lots of old lines he can cut the front taper off of and shorten.

It would be like the changeable 15' looped factory sinktips that Rio sells but shorter.