am I the only one who thinks that

[jack smith]

Cnd rods are outrageously overpriced for being mass produced rods made in china? For instance the Specialist series costs $645 to $775. Their solstice series tops off at $695. Basically you can get a made in the USA Sage Z Axis spey rod for that price or a Gary Anderson bad A** rod. He had a 13.6 8 weight 2007 rod with the most beautifull wood handle, and Steve GOddal said you could get it for $650 tommorow. Throw in a cnd line (I WOULD recommend the CND line over the windcutter by a long shot) and you have a casting dream that is a piece of art made in the USA that is cheaper that a mass produced in China CND rod

Their lines are great casting lines, but again they cost $110 compared to about $69 for other spey lines .

I hope people read this, I dont think people realize CND's are mass produced in China .
I dont think people would pay the prices that a top notch rod builder like Gary Anderson, Bob Meiser, or Burkheimer charges for their rods that are not only outstanding fishing rods but also works of arts (made by US(!!!) citizens) would for mass produced in China rods

[Bill Kiene semi-retired]

Hi Jack,

Assuming you numbers are correct, I have to agree with you Jack.


Those new TFO/Meiser Spey rods probably won't be anywhere near that expensive.

[aaron]

Correct me if I am wrong but I do believe CND rods are made in Japan. Cnd IS a Japanese company and has been from the start. Their rods became popular so now they sell them in the US as well. I don't see a problem with buying a rod from a reputable company as long as you like it?

As far as their lines go, they are made here in the states.

All of the mentioned custom builders build awesome rods, there is no question about that. You might be surprised as to where some of their graphite comes from.

As long as you really like a rod I don't see a problem in buying it no matter where it came from. The revenue from it will surely help to support the US vendor and distributor. Anyhow spey is such a niche market that I doubt CND rods are having any adverse effects on American Manufactures.

[jbird]

I dont know anything about the rod company, but this does seem to be a pretty dirty introductory post for jack. I would guess this company hit a nerve with you some how? I saw this same post on blantons.

J

[nrthcsteel]

Well as far as being mass produced in China?? Im not sure. I do know that Nobuo Nodera is the designer of these rods and lines. He is also a very respected rod and line designer in the spey world not to mention a HARDCORE steelhead,salmon fisher and a world class spey caster. I just noticed on Meisers updated sight that he is now carrying the CND blanks. I recently purchased the 1307 expert rod and I LIKE IT alot and I know that CND rods have a HUGE following all over the globe. The expert is the "low end" model in the CND line but if you look at the quality of components and the performance of this rod it meets or exceeds rods in this price range as well as some higher priced rods. I in no way am against Meiser, Burkheimer of Anderson. I own 2 Meisers 2 Burkheimers and Im sure someday an Anderson. I just ordered a new rod from Meiser.I cant speek for these fine rodmakers but Im sure if you asked any of these guys about CND rods and Nobua they would have nothing but good to say about them and I doubt Bob Meiser would carry these blanks if he didnt feel they were top notch. I also think you would be surprised at where some components and blanks are manufactured. Im not sure what has caused you to post this about CND? but would be interested to know why? In my research about them I have heard nothing but praises. I think you may have to do a little more research or fill us all in if there is some hardcare evidence you have that you would like to share with us. Kevn

[Terry Thomas]

CND is a fine rod company that produces a quality product. There are many casters out there that feel that the CND rod is one of the best. Bottom line, it is up to the individual to pay what they feel is best for them.

[jack smith]

I dont know anything about the rod company, but this does seem to be a pretty dirty introductory post for jack. I would guess this company hit a nerve with you some how? I saw this same post on blantons.

J

Yes, they did hit a nerve with me. I found out they were built in China (actually Korea, I guess that is kind of racist of me to think of the 2 as the same.) Also check out their warranty. For the first year you just pay shipping and handling (I wonder if it is $25-$35 like other companies?). After the first year it is $60 PLUS shipping and handling. The point of my post is to let people know that even tho CND is a Japanese company the rods are made in China/Korea. If people dont care about this and paying $645 -$775 for the specialist series, and $565 -$695 for the Solstice series, big deal. But I think alot of people's minds would be changed finding out that for these prices they are getting a mass produced rod from China.

[jack smith]

CND is a fine rod company that produces a quality product.

I agree CND is a fine rod. Given the price I was surprised as heck that they are mass produced in China (they are not made in Japan). I just learned tonight from responses from a post of mine that their warranty is not lifetime like most other companies. For the first year you just pay shipping and handling. After that you pay shipping and handling PLUS $60.

[nrthcsteel]

I see you have spread this viral bashing thread to just about all the other sites you could (except speypages???) I know of one site that gave your thread the axe. Everyone is entitled to an opinion on the performance and experiences they have had with different brands of equipment. I feel your opinion has gone into the realm of slander. Your reasons of "made in China" and your waranty issues really dont cut it for me as a reason to bash on CND rods. First off I know of two other big time rod manufactures one charges forty the other fifty PLUS SHIPPING AND HANDLING for there warranties. I think this is very fair seeing that most warranty issues are probably operator error and probably cost the company much more in time,parts and labor. Second I have been into the spey world for half a year or so and it seems to me that most of the companies and alot of the custom builders work very closely with each other sharing ideas and input on rods and lines and such in order to put out the best product possible for us the user. I cant speek for them personally but I think the three rod builders you mentioned above would be very upset to have there names mentioned in a thread that goes on to bash a fellow company,rod and line designer, hardcore fisherman and probably a good friend also. So if you can get such a good deal on that Anderson GO FOR IT! But do us all a favor,check with Mr. Anderson about his warranty policy first. Im not sure what it is but GOD FORBID you should slam your rod in the door of your FORD ( or maybe you drive a toyota or a honda??)and then find out Mr. Anderson would have the nerve to charge you to repair your rod and worse yet have to pay a SHIPPING AND HANDLING FEE! It would save us all having to go through listening to your whining and bashing of another well respected rod builder. Kevin

[bigtj]

CND rods are good rods. Whether people care about how much they cost, or where they are made, are kinda immaterial to me. Some people are the "ignorance is bliss" type and don't give a darn about where the rods are made, they just care about how they cast/look/whatever. Those who truly care are probably going to ask. Bottom line, it's between CND and their customers and the free, open market to determine whether or not their rods will be successful. They have a pretty loyal following, one of my good friends among them.

I remember getting a bit up in arms about the latest Hardy titanium reel that's selling for about 10 grand. Not for me (I could never afford it) but now that I look back at it I feel a little silly for even caring. If people want to make and buy stuff I don't consider as a "value"or "worth buying" or "something I can afford" then who cares. There are plenty of products that fill the bill for me, and that's what I'll buy.

Your comment about winductter lines is also interesting. I've been a big windcutter fan for a very long time. My Sage 7141 with an 8/9/10 windcutter is an absolute rocket launcher. I've tried a lot of different lines and I still haven't found any I like as much. Does that mean the Windcutter is a great line? It just means it's a good line for me. I've heard great things about the GPS line and I can't wait to try one. But to say out of hand that the GPS is a better line doesn't really hit the truth. It's better for you, and other folks, great. The Windcutter is still a great line for a lot of folks. I guess that just what I'm trying to say is that "better" is all relative in flyfishing gear. It all depends on what the individual likes. It's just great to have so many different choices.

[calfly]

Cnd rods are outrageously overpriced for being mass produced rods made in china? For instance the Specialist series costs $645 to $775. Their solstice series tops off at $695. Basically you can get a made in the USA Sage Z Axis spey rod for that price or a Gary Anderson bad A** rod.


They are overpriced if no one buys one. People buy them therefore they are definitely not overpriced. Even you think they are good rods, what I think it comes down to is that you think that a hand crafted rod by gary Anderson should cost more than a similiar rod that is made in a factory in China or Korea, and people obviously do not believe the same way you do. They dont care if a rod is made in Korea if it casts the same as a rod hand made by Gary Anderson or Bob Meiser. Get over it. :-({|= I have read the replies to your posts on varies boards and people simply dont care that a CND is made in Korea ( I thought they were made in Japan but Lee Donaldson of CND corrected me) if it casts and fishes the same as a Gary Anderson Rod or a Burkheimer or a Meiser.

On the other Hand apparently while some shops carry the fly line, no shops in California carry the rods, and even Bill, Who I believe has said that Kiene's has the largest Spey selection in California, does not carry CND.

[Nip Hadlock]

I just found out my Swedish sofa was made in Canada!
Doubt I'll be able to nap in peace now that this travesty is revealed...damn you Ikea!

[Adam Grace]

Nip, you crack me up!

[calfly]

Hi Jack,

Assuming you numbers are correct, I have to agree with you Jack.


Those new TFO/Meiser Spey rods probably won't be anywhere near that expensive.

Kind of odd, %99.999999 of spey users will not buy the rods, but that .000001 that do will rip you head off if you say anything bad. Notice how not a single fly shop in California carries CND rods? And very few in OR and WA? Maybe a PNW shop the size of Bob Marriotts, but that is about it.

So Bill, have you gotten any death threat from the vocal .00001 percent yet? I would be looking over your shoulder on the river if you see anyone with a cnd rod :lol: