What to try when the reports say "Senko"

[kokaneejr]

Because I am new to this "warmwater" fly fishing suff I have no idea what to use when I get to a lake and they say the bite is great on plastic worms. Anybody have any patterns to suggest? I definately can try wooley buggers and minnow imitations and wait for topwater but just trying to figure out a searching worm pattern to gain some more confidence..Thanks, Craig.

[jbird]

Craig

Try a fly tied with a long rabbit strip in black, burgandy or chartuese. Add a little flash, with a conehead so it swims like a jig.

Jay

[Darian]

How about a Senko pattern :?: Go over to the darkside for a little action. :evil: :evil: :evil:

May the force be with you 8) :lol: :lol: :lol:

[Hairstacker]

Stick with your Clousers and other sub-surface minnow patterns. I also like Jay's idea of trying a long rabbit strip coneheaded fly -- a lot of gear guys experience great jig fishing in the early spring while the water's still cool.

Unfortunately, I do not believe it is possible to create a Senko at the vise. Oh sure, it's possible to use giant chenille and what-not to create a pattern that kind of LOOKS like a Senko while sitting on top of a table. But I do not believe it is possible to create a fly pattern that comes close to simulating how a weightless Senko behaves (its magic) once it hits the water. Too bad really.

[lee s.]

Why would you want to immi a lure? :roll: Why not better immi what the lure immi's? 8)
....lee s.

[David Lee]

A 'turd '( senko) is a 'dead' bait .

Bass eat them when they are NOT in the mood to chase things (negative or neutral mood) - try this ....

Take an EC413 in size #2 , put a tungsten bead or small cone on the shank up to the part where the hook eye bends up - then , tye a bushy , flashy Bugger . Fish it by throwing it out and doing nothing .

Whack that sucker out (dry line and 12 foot leader) , let it sink . Pay close attention to the line/leader junction ..... if it twitches/jumps , set hard . After letting it sit for 30 seconds to two minutes ...... pull the line about 6 inches , follow with another long pause .

It's a pretty slow way to fish ..... but sometimes , that's what they want .

David :nod:

[Darian]

HUH :?: :?: :?: :?: Wha'd 'e say :?: :?: :?: :?:

Actually, the suggestion was meant to use a Senko not tying a fly that looks like a one..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[David Lee]

HUH :?: :?: :?: :?: Wha'd 'e say :?: :?: :?: :?:

Actually, the suggestion was meant to use a Senko not tying a fly that looks like a one..... :lol: :lol: :lol:

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Ohhhhh , Darian - the fly doesn't look anything like a turd , it just fishes like one !

Have you been out yet ?? It was good up until last week .....

David :D

[Darian]

Nope,....Haven't been out for awhile. Been trying to get over a bad cold without much luck.... Seems like every time I start feeling good and begin exercising again, it comes back. :( :( Anyway, I'm goin' fishin' somewhere this week, regardless.... There's Striperzzzzz out there. :D :D

[Jay Murakoshi]

I've created or should I say I'm in the process of refining my version of the SENKO. I'm using synthetic wig hair that's already braided and some that are stranded. On the first version, I used Softex. It dried to hard but was still flexible. Now I'm trying out the GE Silicon II.

I"m using the Gamakatsu B10S in 2/0 and I also add a tungsten cone head. So far, I have a purple with a chartreuse tip, all black and a lime green.

All of the "worm" are rolled in glitter to give the shiney look and to make the ribbing sections, I use a sushi matt.

As soon as I'm satisfied with the product, I'll post a photo or maybe I'll tie this at Kiene's Fly Fair in April

Jay

[kokaneejr]

Thanks everybody for the advice. Jbird I would love to see a photo of that fly you are talking about. Jay as well that sounds interesting. David I am going to try that technique today fishing a local pond. I am sure that will get my confidence up. Darian I know what you mean and have gone to the dark side a couple times so far this year.

Hairstacker when fishing this early in spring do you still have luck with clousers? Hard to fish worms anyhow in a kayak (at least without an anchor.)

Thanks again for the replies, Hopefully my confidence will grow. By the way I tied a type of San Juan worm last night. Bass worm hook 20 lb test tied on like a san Juan(offset) and wrapped chenille aroung the whole thing then burnt the ends. Looks wormlike. Testing it today :D ....Craig.

[Adam Grace]

One of my more perverted fly fishing buddies would just fish the senko using his fly rod. He's not what you call a purist. :lol: But I'm a little bit of a fly fishing purist.

I like the rabbit strip flies, tied with a heavy dumbbell eyes tied like a clouser with the hook point up, with a double mono weed guard.

[MSP]

One of my more perverted fly fishing buddies would just fish the senko using his fly rod. He's not what you call a purist.

Anyone in particular come to mind :?: I know it's not me cause I use a baitcaster with my Senko's! :twisted:

[Darian]

Adam,....Does your friend try to cast a wacky rigged Senko with a fly rod :?: :evil: :evil:

[Hairstacker]

Now Darian, why would you know anything about wacky-rigs? :roll: :lol:

[Darian]

Cause I'm a wacky kinda guy.... :lol: :lol: :lol:

[MSP]

I'm with Darian, when they say Senko throw a Senko! [-X It ain't flyfishing but it's not bad!

Folsom today walking the bank.

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[JerryInLodi]

The hardest thing about imitating a Senko isn't the fly, it's the line. I played around casting sinking lines into swimming pools so I could watch what happens. It seems that it doesn't make any difference whether it's a density compensated line, sink tip or full sink, the line does not sink like a piece of mono on a spinning reel or a braided high strength line on a level wind. Fly lines tend to collapse in the center. In doing so, you totally loose touch with the fly. While some LMB grab and run, many just come up and inhale the bait and don't move any further. You'll never feel the grab if your fly line collapses.

To compensate you have to fish the fly, "straight line" which means you have to strip in the minimum amount of line necessary to keep your line from collapsing. How much and how fast depends on all kinds of factors, current, fly line, weight of fly, etc.

I've been trying to imitate the Senko presentation, not necessarily the fly. At first I went with rabbit strips and tried to tie, "worm" flies. However I've found that a well tied woolly bugger is superior to zonker strips and even plastic worms, (yes, I tried them!) The secret is to strip it in using the absolute minimum of line allowing the closest thing to free fall but still maintaining contact with the fly.

At least that's where I'm at right now.

[Adam Grace]

NICE BASS MIKE! quite the fatty

Where you using conventional gear?

[MSP]

Where you using conventional gear?

I'll never tell Adam!

YES!

I know, I'm going to HELL! But I will probably go back next week too! I'm weak, I've been defeated! Anyone need some crappy fly gear?

[David Lee]

Anyone need some crappy fly gear?

I'll take all of your rod-building stuff .

I'm headed out tomorrow for the 'wrong' side of the lake - Change your mind and meet me at Mormon Island (bring a tube) .

David :D

P.S. - Nice Largemouth , looks almost 5 lbs. ??

[Darian]

Mike, great looking Bass..... Never underestimate the power of the dark side.... :ninja: :ninja:

Of course, a combo (fly/gear) trip is fun, too. Sort of the twilight side. I'm headed for the delta tomorrow in the afternoon. Hope to have something to report in the evening. 8) 8) 8)

[MSP]

David, I was guessing it to be between 6 and 7 pounds. Had a hell of a time trying to stretch out my arm far enough for a photo. Darian believe it or not I did have my 9wt with me but it was a little bit too breezy today for that. Good luck tomorrow guys looking forward to your reports. David that fish came off a steep shore with some very large boulders, probably 15' deep.


I'll take all of your rod-building stuff. Change your mind and meet me at Mormon Island (bring a tube) .

Do you plan on building that new rod in your tube? :lol: Now that might be a challenge!

[Hairstacker]

Mike, that' a GREAT bass, congratulations!!

Jerry, I find it very interesting when you say,


"The secret is to strip it in using the absolute minimum of line allowing the closest thing to free fall but still maintaining contact with the fly."

because that's exactly what you're trying to achieve with the Senko. The closer you can locate yourself to the fish without spooking them and allowing the Senko to free-fall on a semi-slack line the better. Makes me wonder if you've been fishing them. . . . :unibrow:

Actually, I agree the line aspect is problematic, but I still believe imitating the Senko is equally problematic. When fished weightless, the thing sinks horizontally at a rapid rate of descent with its tips wiggling at BOTH ends. It is also very heavily impregnated with salt, which seems to affect its sink rate and also seems to cause fish to hang on to it much longer than they would with non-similarly-treated artificials. Sometimes when it's tossed, it will pitch back and forth as it sinks. Other times, when pitched to the edge of cover, it will angle away from the angler to go underneath the cover as it sinks. Don't see how these characteristics can be imitated with a fly.

Some may ask why you would want to imitate a Senko at the vise? For one thing, I'm not sure what a Senko itself imitates. For another, over the last few years, it has been the overall most effective artificial in mass production for catching bass that I'm aware of. And lastly, these things catch big bass. Its only negatives that I'm aware of are that (1) it is more likely to hook a fish deeply that would normally be the case with flies, and (2) it's not fly fishing. :wink:

[JerryInLodi]

(2) it's not fly fishing. :wink:

Hairstacker, to a dry fly purist, a nymph is not fly fishing. To a "naturals" man, any synthetic tying material is not fly fishing. To some, the use of anything other than a floating line is not fly fishing.

To a traditional steelhead man, anything but a brindlebug on a swing is not steelhead fishing!

TOO MANY RULES!!!

I read a book, Bassin' with a FLY ROD, Ellis, Jack. Lyons Press. Guilfold Connecticut. 2003. 197 pages.

Jack went over to the dark side and tried rubber worms. He stated the bass found them irrestible. OK, I admit, after his book I tried them. Now I didn't buy the big time, big bucks worms. I used the four inch ones I had in sealed bags from (Oh, my God!) 25 years ago! Because they were in sealed bags in a dark tackle box, they looked and felt brand new. And you know what, they caught fish. But when I tossed the super buggers they seemed to catch more fish consistently. I was fishing both a la the dead sink.

I did find two things about the rubber worms. First, they were ABSOLUTELY weedless. With the hook threaded through the top of the worm and then the tip re-buried in the worm with no weight, they cast as easily as a clouser and were long lasting. The bad thing was that it took LOTS of power to drive the hook through the worm and into the fish once there was a take. I had to use a combination of a strip set and a rod set to do so. These things were made to fish with a stiff level wind, not some wimpy fly rod.

I had used the worms before I started tying the giant woolly buggers. Previous to that I was using stuff tied with zonker strips. The worms definitely outfished the zonkers. Then I tried some fairly good sized woolly buggers after my brother-in-law came fishing with me and caught lots of fish using a trout sized bugger. The buggers outfished the rubber worms. Then I just scaled up. That's where I am now.

The one big obstacle to the whole thing is stripers. Every time I get down to the boat with the intention of fishing for LMB I give my striper rod a few casts in the water close by and wham, I start sticking fish and can't put the striper rod down.

Maybe next month I'll get more serious. In fact a board member, name left unmentioned, is coming over today and we're planning to go and do some dental work on some LMB. He's bringing some new, fresh, rubber worms. I'll try my buggers. That is if the stripers don't lure us away!!!

Oh, by the way, the clerk at the little store at Russo's says the guy that won the million and a quarter Duel on the Delta was fishing worms (Senkos?) in a dead sink. His four day total bag was about 120 pounds or a six pound fish average!

[David Lee]

(2) it's not fly fishing. :wink:

Hairstacker, to a dry fly purist, a nymph is not fly fishing. To a "naturals" man, any synthetic tying material is not fly fishing. To some, the use of anything other than a floating line is not fly fishing.

To a traditional steelhead man, anything but a brindlebug on a swing is not steelhead fishing!

TOO MANY RULES!!!


Jerry -

If God himself fished a plastic worm on a flyrod ..... it wouldn't make it a fly . A bead melted to a hook isn't a fly . A sheet of silicone w/ glue on one side , folded over the hook isn't a fly .

Do what you want to do . Fish what you want to fish . But a fly is a fly , not a hotdog (or a plastic worm ...) super-glued onto a hook .

Hope this clears up the confusion .

David :D

[kokaneejr]

You guys are all alright in my book. I felt like I was going backwards a little in my book as I ventured to the dark side last week and wasn't even going to post as I fished with a S---O last week up at Lake Sonoma again.
Hairstacker I am enjoying my kayak as I seem to catch a bigger fish every time I take it out. This time I got pulled around pretty good and am in the process of buying a good scale as I am not sure about this one although I know the feeling of trying to get you hand and fish far enough away.... :D ....Craig.

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[Hairstacker]

I read a book, Bassin' with a FLY ROD, Ellis, Jack. Lyons Press. Guilfold Connecticut. 2003. 197 pages.

Jerry, I own that heretical book. Started reading it and felt all dirty inside and had to put it away. :lol: By the way, for your experimentation, you should pick up some real Senkos, not some plastic worms you've had holed away for 25 years. May I recommend the 5" size in watermelon with black flake? :lol:

And for the record, I personally have yet to string up a Senko on a fly rod. :lol:

Craig, glad to hear you're enjoying your inflatable kayak. You're probably finding you're spending less time futzing with the kayak and more time fishing as you get used to it. (Unless it's God-awful windy of course.) That's a really nice bass too! 8)

[Hairstacker]

Jerry, pulled out the Jack Ellis book again and re-read the chapter he wrote on "bassin with a fly rod." Thought it was interesting he became so discouraged by conventional fly fishing on those large Texas reservoirs that he resorted to fly casting 4" plastic worms (with great success I might add).

Makes me think we have something different and unique with the Delta in the way we are able to target bass on top throughout the day during the warm season. In other words, I wonder if he would have become as discouraged if he had been fishing the Delta instead. . . .

[JerryInLodi]

If God himself fished a plastic worm on a flyrod ..... it wouldn't make it a fly . A bead melted to a hook isn't a fly . A sheet of silicone w/ glue on one side , folded over the hook isn't a fly .

Do what you want to do . Fish what you want to fish . But a fly is a fly , not a hotdog (or a plastic worm ...) super-glued onto a hook .


David, then what is a fly? How about the lifelike stoneflies made with plastic strips, and plastic wings? They are "tied" in a pattern rather than molded. It that what makes them a fly? A sheet of silicone? You must be refering to a Crease fly. It that a fly? What about the tube flies? What about the flies tied with deer hair and then coated with silicone?

I remember in my youth, 1950's, that flies were thrown with small spinners, simillar to what the bassin' guys throw but minature. I think the bassin' guys call them spinner baits. I remember these along with bamboo rods, Pfluger automatic reels and varnished silk lines.

What defines "fly" fishing. It it the rod, reel, line, presentation, the attractor at the end of the terminal gear? Is throwing 30 feet of T-14 and 90 feet of Amnesia fly casting or just spin fishing without a reel?

Is a foam ant a fly but a rubber worm not? I just can't figure it out. Where are we at?

Need your help.

[Hairstacker]

Ah geez, don't tell me I inadvertently started a "what is fly fishing?" thread. :shock: #-o

[JerryInLodi]

Jerry, pulled out the Jack Ellis book again and re-read the chapter he wrote on "bassin with a fly rod."...
Makes me think we have something different and unique with the Delta in the way we are able to target bass on top throughout the day during the warm season. In other words, I wonder if he would have become as discouraged if he had been fishing the Delta instead. . . .

Hairstacker, I think to be a complete bass fisherman, whether fly rod or conventional, you need a full bag of tricks. Now some of these ProBass guys definitely have that bag. As a fly rodder I have a LONG way to go to equal them.

Tonight, I and an unnamed board member who brought "dark side" materials, went out on the delta. The afternoon seemed perfect except for the fact that the evaporation from the high winds of the past two days, along with the rain, had dropped water temperatures by two degrees, down to 61.5.

Being true fly rodders, we started out with poppers and Dahlberg Divers, nothing for a half hour over known extremely productive water. Next, we tried subsurface things like giant woolly buggers, Puglisi bluegill imitations, smaller clousers, one SMALL LMB on a olive WB and one decent striper on the Puglisi. Finally we cracked open the bags with fresh rubber worms and jig hooks. After two hours, one medium and one small bass. Now truthfully, we gave it a pretty good shot but compared to a ProBasser, we were lightweights. He probably would have ended the day with a 25 pound bag.

I KNOW we can do better, we just need to learn more tricks.

[Hairstacker]

Hairstacker, I think to be a complete bass fisherman, whether fly rod or conventional, you need a full bag of tricks. Now some of these ProBass guys definitely have that bag. As a fly rodder I have a LONG way to go to equal them.

Jerry, that's an interesting perspective. . . . I suppose the bag of tricks could include flipping Senkos with a fly rod. But the thought of it makes one re-examine and think about the point of being out there with a fly rod in hand in the first place. Obviously, everyone will have to answer that for themselves. . . .

I expect a fly to be on the end of my connection in no small part due to the additional pleasure I glean from constructing such things at my vise in the first place. I still get a kick out of catching fish on flies I've tied! :)

[JerryInLodi]

Hairstacker, don't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating going over to the dark side. What I am saying is that the Pro Bassers have a multitude of techniques that catch fish. I want to learn what they are and WHY they catch fish and when do you use them. For example, what's the difference between a Carolina rig, a Texas rig and a Wacky worm. Right now I have no clue. Do each of them catch fish equally well? During the same circumstances? What makes a crank bait work? (What is a crank bait??) When do they use it and when do they use a spinner bait? When do they use different colors. I know that colors are important because I see color calculators in the the fishing catalogues.

I think there is a world of fishing with a fly rod that still needs to be developed, bass fishing. AND I think we can do it with FLIES, not rubber worms, spinner baits, crank baits, etc. but we need to understand the bass a lot more.

So far I've found that fishing a giant woollybugger as a dead sink can be done and the best presentation seems to be done with a type III, 15 foot sink tip. It and the fly seem to sink at almost the exact same rate and the short tip seems to prevent most line collapse.

I've also found that greasing the front of a woolly bugger and fishing it on a floating line will produce results similar to a spinner bait. In fact, better since, when greased, it floats at the beginning of the presentation and gets strikes while just laying there. Then it runs just under the surface when stripped, either fast or slow. I still need to know about colors, size and how much flashabou to make these more effective.

Is a clouser or a giant woolly bugger, allowed to sink 4-8 feet, stripped in rapidly a good imitation of a crank bait or is there something better? I haven't even started on this.

What is the best way to jig a fly across the bottom? Floating line, sink tip? Is a zonker strip with a set of dumbbell eyes the best fly to use? I've had this work some of the time but again, too many questions.

It all boils down to the fact that the effectiveness of the bassin' dudes give a guy lots to think about and a whole new world of fly fishing presentations, techniques and flies to play with.

[David Lee]

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David, then what is a fly? How about the lifelike stoneflies made with plastic strips, and plastic wings? They are "tied" in a pattern rather than molded. It that what makes them a fly? A sheet of silicone? You must be refering to a Crease fly. It that a fly? What about the tube flies? What about the flies tied with deer hair and then coated with silicone?

Is a foam ant a fly but a rubber worm not? I just can't figure it out. Where are we at?

Need your help.

Jerry -

I think you might have missed my point , or OPINION , as it were ....

#1 - There's NOTHING WRONG w/ fishing WHATEVER you want to fish on the end of your flyline . Be it a Nymph , Deerhair Bug , or a live nightcrawler . I don't think that there's a special place in hell for people that use plastic worms on fly gear .... really .

#2 - My PERSONAL take on what makes a fly is ..... something you have TIED , not a gummy minnow or melted bead . As a tyer .... I've come up w/ a few 'things' that have raised eyebrows , but I still consider them to be flies . Anyone can fish whatever they want to on a flyrod .... I just prefer to fish what I consider to be a FLY - not a Senko ....or Flyrod Flatfish ..... or a live Grasshopper .

#3 - You don't 'need' ANY help from me , because you have a firm grip on things . Because you are a forward thinker (like myself) , you constantly are thinking of building a 'better mousetrap' - a better , more efficent way to sort out these wonderful situations involving fish of all kinds .

#4 - There is no darkside . The day I can't toss a magic worm (on spinning tackle , please ...) , or fish a chunk of Sardine for Catfish , is the day I've gone SNOB ..... and don't deserve to call myself a Sportsman . ALL kinds of tackle are viable ......

My first post on this subject WAS NOT intended to raise your anger . I have nothing but respect for you , and I enjoy watching the way you've looked into matching the presentation of plastics with flies on a flyrod . The true beauty of flyfishing is ..... YOU set the rules . No one else .

I just don't thing fishing a plastic worm on a flyrod is flyfishing . Just my opinion .

David :D :D :D 8-[

[JerryInLodi]

David, truely there was no anger at all. I'm sorry if it seemed so! Sometimes posting comes across totally wrong! Believe me, no anger, just intrigued by your post! (Oh and I had to add this as an edit, I'm really ENJOYING this stuff!)

I was really curious what you defined as a fly! Especially since you seemed to hint that Crease flies are not really flies. With all the new materials, foam, synthetics, etcetera, fly tying has moved a long way from humpies and PT nymphs. I think it's becoming really hard to define what a fly is!

My question about an ant pattern was serious. Is a strip of black foam tied to a hook by its middle with a small piece of hackle wound around it a fly?

I read where Jay is developing a "Senko" type fly with hair braid and silicone. Since he's tying it, I guess it's a fly?

I really do think there is a dark side and scented rubber worms are part of it but I think if we understand the presentations that these baits afford, we can come up with real "flies" that at least come close in effectiveness.

As I am typing, I'm watching a program on bass fishing and the use of crank baits. I just learned that a crank bait is SUPPOSED to bounce along the bottom, with its bill bouncing off stuff. I never knew that before! I thought if you did that you'd end up snagging all the time. Now, I know what I'm going to do with some of those big dumbbell eyes I have! Tie something with a lot of flash and color that I can strip in and bounce along the bottom, making lots of noise, stirring up all kinds of stuff, etc. Maybe the fly should strip in at an angle rather than tied at the forward end? What line to fish it on?

But, I guess to answer the $64,000 question, I do agree, a rubber worm is NOT a fly!

[David Lee]

In my book .....

A foam Ant IS a fly . A Crease fly IS a fly (you have to tye/build it , right ?) .

A gummy-minnow is ...... well , to ME , it isn't a fly - while the tying instructions call for it to be tyed-off at the eye of the hook w/ thread , it isn't really needed because the siliskin sticks to itself . Lots of folks use them to great effect ...... but I'd rather use something that I've tyed .

JM is on the right track - I think Llama coated w/ silicone would be the way to TYE a 'rubber worm' fly .

To each his own .... I honestly don't think what anyone uses matters in a life and death way .

David :D

[JerryInLodi]

To each his own .... I honestly don't think what anyone uses matters in a life and death way .

David :D

I agree but it's fun to try to figure out what's inside and outside the envelope. To me, neither foam ants or Crease flies are flies, they're lures. I just saw a gummy minnow the other day. I thought it was a manufactured molded plastic bait. You mean that thing was hand tied? Definitely NOT a fly.

Braided wig hair with silicone rubbed in? Well, in my book it's not a fly, just a hand made rubber worm. But would I fish it if it works? Do I fish foam ants. YOUBETCHA!

Can you imagine the consternation that occurred when the first guy tied a fly using something other than feathers and fur! Did he hide it in his fly box and fish it secretly? Was he an outcast to his friends when discovered? Was he kicked out of his fly fishing club? Did he lapse into depression, and finally go to confession, say his Hail Mary's and Our Fathers and never use it again?

It's said that the Delta will become the world's premier LMB fishery in the next few years. And it's only a half hour from my house. Wouldn't it be a kick to have the same full bag of tricks for bass as we do trout, not to catch fish but to catch LOTS of fish and LOTS of BIG FISH, CONSISTANTLY just like the bassin' guys do. To me that means we're really going to have to look at the edges of the envelope.

[Darian]

David,.... Say it ain't so!!!!.... "There is no darkside" :?: :?: :? :? :crybaby: :crybaby:

[Darian]

Jerry,.... I was out yesterday, mid-afternoon thru around 6:30 PM. Launched at Paradise Point and fished the sloughs. Not much tidal movement, water temps ranged from 62.0 to 66.0 degrees. Water clarity was around 4'. Light breeze and warm at start of trip. Cool, overcast with increased breeze at end. Most of our fish were caught before the overcast skies and temp drop. 8) 8)

The trip was a success in spite of starting out like a disaster waiting to happen. Forgot to put the plug in while launching but realized it and solved the problem before sinking the boat. Thank god for bilge pumps. :lol: :lol: :lol: Next, the trolling motor decided it was on vacation. :\ :\

Some good looking water around Kings Marina and in between. We hit all of the Bassy lookin' water in that area. Caught some dinks. All on gear (topwater or Senko's). One little guy took a 5" Senko as soon as it hit the water (it must've been waiting there with his mouth open :lol: ). It wasn't much bigger than the Senko. :lol: :lol: My fishin' partner caught all the fish. I drove the boat. 8) 8) 8) All in all, it was a good trip. Lotsa birds/turtles and some wildlife to watch. Beautiful day. 8) 8) 8)