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Jay Murakoshi
03-15-2007, 05:06 AM
This could be a lengthy post but it will definitly help those who are tying up the hairy crank bait patterns.

Fished the Delta yesterday with KD under some windy conditions and over cast to partly cloudy skies. For me, it was a R&D day for testing the Hairy Crank Bait patterns under REAL fishing conditions and not the simple easy testing I do at the local lake and my swimming pool. We launched around 9am to dead calm flat conditions and we thought "boy what a great day ahead". After making the first couple of stops and using a green and yellow dalberg with no LOOKS [-o<, KD told me that he wanted to see the HCB in action. So I tied on a green and yellow 1/0 HCB and threw it into a thick tule clump. It crawled and crept across each branch. The weed guard worked perfect and then JUMPED it on to water and started retreiving the fly back to the boat. It did what it was suppose to do. Dive and wiggle as it was stripped back to the boat. After a few cast, a couple of LMB came out to check it out.
After fishing this a while, I noticed that the bug wasn't diving and wiggling like it was designed to do. So I checked it out and found out what the problem was. This is what I observed:

The bodies that I spin and sort of leave soft (not packed TIGHT) well - what was happening was the hair where the bill was glued onto stayed intact and the hair around that once it became saturated with water was like a wet noodle. So this was causing the diving bill to move back and forth when stripped, thus causing the bug not to dive and wiggle. Now on the bugs that were packed real tight, had no problems. I put all these flies through a tough testing. Bounced them off of tree stumps, dragged them across heavy timber, wrapped them up in the tree branches and even fished open waters.

So now the solution: If you spin the hair and pack it tight (like a Steve Potter fly) chances are that the fly will not absorb water and it will become a floater on the surface. Now if you spin deer hair like I do and try to keep it somewhat tight but still enough air space for it to absorb water and make the fly sink, you'll end up with the problem that I had today. The flies I had packed tight had no problems of coming loose.
So, if you pack it tight, you'll have to add some weight to the fly.
Here's a couple solutions (I thinks).... I have been sitting here all night solving the problem (I hope). I have taken some thinned out Automotive Goop and saturated the hair around the diving bill so it bonds all deer hair fibers together. Another solution is, I've taken some straight Automotive Goop and with a bodkin glued the hair together behind and underneath the diving bill. I"m going to let them dry a full day and then test them tomorrow at Kelsey Bass Lake. I'll post my findings and the results.

This has been a whirl wind day. I stopped in Manteca for a Starbucks to help me stay awake for my 3 hour drive home. I also added 4 shots :shock: of Expresso to the BOLD KENYA that they brewed. Right now the body is doing about 110 MPH with no slow down in site. I hope that I'm not driving or riding my bike when this stuff where's off. I think the sun will be rising soon.

Oh well, hope this report helps for those of you who are tying up the HCB.


Jay ](*,), :eek:,

SullyTM
03-15-2007, 06:42 AM
Jay...Could you post a few photos of this process? I'm always looking to improve my deer hair tying.

Also, when you wer out on the Delta with KD, how much does your casting motion change with the windy conditions? Any tips?

Done any carping this Spring?

Thanks Jay.

Thom

Steve Potter
03-15-2007, 07:41 AM
Jay

I fished Wed. with your Hairy Crank Bait in the South Delta around Tracy and the first twenty or so cast and retrieves the fly behaved well, but then
it lost it action. I too think its the area around the bill that gets loose.
On the good side of your fly, after fishing with a 7wt rod with a 9 bug taper, I switched to a 8wt rod with a short sink tip on a floater and got a doz or so fish to 3lbs. I could still see the action of the fly at 2ft. below the surface.
I know the topwater is the Thing but I like the action of this fly from about 6'' to 2ft
Let me know how your R&D goes on this fly.
I tied one that wasn't as colorful but the same shape I'm going to saturate
the bottom of the fly and see.
Later Steve

Jay Murakoshi
03-15-2007, 08:45 AM
Sully,

My casting motion is pretty much the same as KD's. I sidearm/loop cast most of my hair bugs. I think doing the underhand cast helps in the wind because you're line is not into the wind most of the time. Now I was throwing the Custom tip express with an over head cast because it could cut the though the wind alot easier


Steve.
That's exactly how the flies were doing yesterday. Once all the deer hair was wet, the fibers started to separate and that's when the bill would move back and forth. I'm in the process of trying four different materials to saturate the area right now. That shallow action was a kick to watch, especially when the bass came up and slammed the fly. I prefer to keep the fly around the 18" depth to 2'.

One other thing that I have added to the fly is a mini-clip for tying on the leader. I have found that the fly gets more action from this than tying to the hook eye.

The results will be posted

Jay

mike N
03-15-2007, 12:15 PM
Hey Jay,

Any chance someone could get a couple dozen of those bills?

MN

Jay Murakoshi
03-15-2007, 12:19 PM
MN,

Send me your address to my email and I will throw some in an envelope

Jay

Jay Murakoshi
03-18-2007, 08:12 AM
Steve,

I've solved the problem of the loose hair around the bill. I have used Softex and saturated the area in front and on the underside of the body.
I used the same crank bait all day and caught at least 8 LMB with it. The bill is still solid and doesn't even move.
I'm going to try it tomorrow either at the Forebay or Los Banos creek reservoir.

I'll let you know what happens

Jay

Steve Potter
03-18-2007, 10:59 AM
Jay-
What type line and leader sysetm. I'm going out this afternoon if I can talk the little lady out of some chores.
Later Steve

Jay Murakoshi
03-18-2007, 11:48 AM
Steve,

I'm using a SA Mastery Saltwater line, which is no longer made. I'm also using the new RIO Outbound Tropical floating line. I'm uplining one line weight. I'm using a twisted leader made with Maxima Ultra Green. Not using the Flouro on the floating flies because it's sinks too quick. My leader system is around 6' in length

Good luck out there. I'm stuck in the tying room trying to get caught up on orders and maybe tie up a couple more frogs

Jay

Steve Potter
03-18-2007, 09:57 PM
Jay-
I went out but the wind got to me, caught two fish and ended up at the
bar-b- que, sipping some suds with the neigbors. Send me a picture of the Frog pattern, that a real nice color combo.
Later Steve